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<blockquote data-quote="Khisanth the Ancient" data-source="post: 7697070" data-attributes="member: 11368"><p>It's not explicitly stated, but I'd expect Elrond and Gandalf to know Sauron's powers and resources quite well. Elrond was involved in fighting Sauron in the Second Age, and Gandalf </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Even if he didn't realize it was an attempt to destroy the Ring, Sauron would still act against Great Eagle intrusion, since he knows perfectly well that the Giant Eagles are associated with Manwe and thus his enemies. He might see it a spy mission, but why would that keep him from swatting them out of the air?</p><p></p><p>Sauron didn't think anyone would ever try to destroy the ring because its power of obsession is too great, and so he didn't guard the Cracks of Doom specifically. But Mordor itself is still guarded! Sauron does consider the possibility of enemy forces attacking.</p><p></p><p>(And the Eagles fear Sauron, I'd expect. <em>The Hobbit</em> says they avoid going near men with bows; I really doubt they would willingly go to Mordor.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mmm, I don't think so. Tolkien magic isn't D&D magic. I agree that Sauron can't do it "at a finger snap", and he may not be able to target it very precisely. But we know he can affect weather since he does it in the book.</p><p></p><p>And stopping the Eagles wouldn't require careful targeting. They are large flying creatures thus visible a long way off, and a generalized hurricane over the whole area would stop them quite well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Certainly they weren't expected to split up as early on as they did (because Boromir), but I thought that Aragorn and co. weren't expected to be there for the final leg, just for most of the dangers en route. </p><p></p><p>Didn't they need Aragorn (and presumably Boromir would have been there if he hadn't died) to lead the military diversion for Sauron?</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I'm pretty sure Gandalf would not have ventured into Mordor (too close to direct confrontation with Sauron) and without him, eight people on foot would still have been far stealthier than giant flying creatures you can see from <em>dozens of miles away</em> even with normal human vision.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khisanth the Ancient, post: 7697070, member: 11368"] It's not explicitly stated, but I'd expect Elrond and Gandalf to know Sauron's powers and resources quite well. Elrond was involved in fighting Sauron in the Second Age, and Gandalf Even if he didn't realize it was an attempt to destroy the Ring, Sauron would still act against Great Eagle intrusion, since he knows perfectly well that the Giant Eagles are associated with Manwe and thus his enemies. He might see it a spy mission, but why would that keep him from swatting them out of the air? Sauron didn't think anyone would ever try to destroy the ring because its power of obsession is too great, and so he didn't guard the Cracks of Doom specifically. But Mordor itself is still guarded! Sauron does consider the possibility of enemy forces attacking. (And the Eagles fear Sauron, I'd expect. [I]The Hobbit[/I] says they avoid going near men with bows; I really doubt they would willingly go to Mordor.) Mmm, I don't think so. Tolkien magic isn't D&D magic. I agree that Sauron can't do it "at a finger snap", and he may not be able to target it very precisely. But we know he can affect weather since he does it in the book. And stopping the Eagles wouldn't require careful targeting. They are large flying creatures thus visible a long way off, and a generalized hurricane over the whole area would stop them quite well. Certainly they weren't expected to split up as early on as they did (because Boromir), but I thought that Aragorn and co. weren't expected to be there for the final leg, just for most of the dangers en route. Didn't they need Aragorn (and presumably Boromir would have been there if he hadn't died) to lead the military diversion for Sauron? Anyway, I'm pretty sure Gandalf would not have ventured into Mordor (too close to direct confrontation with Sauron) and without him, eight people on foot would still have been far stealthier than giant flying creatures you can see from [I]dozens of miles away[/I] even with normal human vision. [/QUOTE]
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