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Was Gandalf Just A 5th Level Magic User?
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<blockquote data-quote="TheLoneRanger1979" data-source="post: 7697194" data-attributes="member: 6804148"><p>Well two proposed interpretations are:</p><p>1. </p><p></p><p>and</p><p>2. </p><p></p><p>And both have merit. Here is why:</p><p></p><p>"How far can you bear me? " I said to Gwaihir.</p><p></p><p>"Many leagues," said he, "but not to the ends of the earth. I was sent to bear tidings not burdens." Which contributes to he theory that the eagles were either pretty much autonomous into their actions and/or limited in their capability.</p><p></p><p>Also:</p><p></p><p>"Elrond summoned the hobbits to him. He looked gravely at Frodo. 'The time has come,' he said. 'If the Ring is to set out, it must go soon. But those who go with it must not count on their errand being aided by war or force. They must pass into the domain of the Enemy far from aid."</p><p></p><p>"'And I will choose you companions to go with you, as far as they will or fortune allows. The number must be few, since your hope is in speed and secrecy. Had I a host of Elves in armour of the Elder Days, it would avail little, save to arouse the power of Mordor."</p><p></p><p>"I think, Elrond, that in this matter it would be well to trust rather to their friendship than to great wisdom. Even if you chose for us an elf-lord, such as Glorfindel, he could not storm the Dark Tower, nor open the road to the Fire by the power that is in him.'"</p><p></p><p>Which kinda supports the secrecy/redemption line of though. </p><p></p><p>If Elrond himself thought the great Eldar armies of the first age would be useless on this quest, then probably the Eagles would not be of too much help either. Either because they were powerless against the Shadow or because the Enemy was aware of them.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: i think the movies might have altered our perceptions a bit with their influence <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, in 5E he might as well be at least lvl 7-9, depending on the choice of spells even above 11-12 and that is just the spell casting class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheLoneRanger1979, post: 7697194, member: 6804148"] Well two proposed interpretations are: 1. and 2. And both have merit. Here is why: "How far can you bear me? " I said to Gwaihir. "Many leagues," said he, "but not to the ends of the earth. I was sent to bear tidings not burdens." Which contributes to he theory that the eagles were either pretty much autonomous into their actions and/or limited in their capability. Also: "Elrond summoned the hobbits to him. He looked gravely at Frodo. 'The time has come,' he said. 'If the Ring is to set out, it must go soon. But those who go with it must not count on their errand being aided by war or force. They must pass into the domain of the Enemy far from aid." "'And I will choose you companions to go with you, as far as they will or fortune allows. The number must be few, since your hope is in speed and secrecy. Had I a host of Elves in armour of the Elder Days, it would avail little, save to arouse the power of Mordor." "I think, Elrond, that in this matter it would be well to trust rather to their friendship than to great wisdom. Even if you chose for us an elf-lord, such as Glorfindel, he could not storm the Dark Tower, nor open the road to the Fire by the power that is in him.'" Which kinda supports the secrecy/redemption line of though. If Elrond himself thought the great Eldar armies of the first age would be useless on this quest, then probably the Eagles would not be of too much help either. Either because they were powerless against the Shadow or because the Enemy was aware of them. EDIT: i think the movies might have altered our perceptions a bit with their influence :) Also, in 5E he might as well be at least lvl 7-9, depending on the choice of spells even above 11-12 and that is just the spell casting class. [/QUOTE]
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