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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7697203" data-attributes="member: 23751">This portion is about the only portion I really disagree with, though I'm not so sure he was right about the armies of elder days being useless.&nbsp; Sauron isn't Morgoth, even with the ring.Here, though, you say that the eagles being willing to carry Gandalf implies autonomy.&nbsp; I disagree.&nbsp; We know that they are the servants of Manwe, that does more than imply that they are not autonomous, it pretty much states it outright.&nbsp; When given instructions, they follow them.&nbsp; They were &quot;sent&quot;, not &quot;asked&quot; to bear tiding, which also implies no autonomy.&nbsp; However, that doesn't mean that they can't do things outside of instruction that also don't violate other instructions.&nbsp; In this case it means that carrying Gandalf to that destination was okay, but it doesn't mean that carrying the group close to or into Mordor is okay.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7697203, member: 23751"] This portion is about the only portion I really disagree with, though I'm not so sure he was right about the armies of elder days being useless. Sauron isn't Morgoth, even with the ring. Here, though, you say that the eagles being willing to carry Gandalf implies autonomy. I disagree. We know that they are the servants of Manwe, that does more than imply that they are not autonomous, it pretty much states it outright. When given instructions, they follow them. They were "sent", not "asked" to bear tiding, which also implies no autonomy. However, that doesn't mean that they can't do things outside of instruction that also don't violate other instructions. In this case it means that carrying Gandalf to that destination was okay, but it doesn't mean that carrying the group close to or into Mordor is okay. [/QUOTE]

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