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<blockquote data-quote="Khisanth the Ancient" data-source="post: 7697277" data-attributes="member: 11368">&quot;A host of Elves in armor of the Elder Days&quot; isn't necessarily the same thing as ALL the forces of the First Age elves. It could mean a Third Age-size force with First Age class equipment. (And the First Age elves lost against Morgoth's armies anyway.)&quot;Sauron was 'greater', effectively, in the Second Age than Morgoth at the end of the First.&quot; - Morgoth's Ring (&quot;Notes on motives in the Silmarillion&quot;)Sauron was certainly defeatable in direct conflict by First- or Second-Age power levels, and defeated (with the Ring at the end of the Second Age by Elendil, Gil-galad and Isildur; and by Huan in the First Age).But in both cases they were able to confront Sauron directly. There's no teleportation in Arda - an army would have to carve through Sauron's armies first. &quot;A host of Elves in armor of the Elder Days&quot; would be superior one-to-one to Sauron's orc and human forces, but Sauron has overwhelming numbers, as well as things like trolls and Nazgul. The Nazgul might not be much use against people like Glorfindel, but I think only those who had actually been in Valinor had that &quot;Unseen-world presence&quot;. The Wood Elves in the Hobbit couldn't see Bilbo with the Ring, so they didn't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Khisanth the Ancient, post: 7697277, member: 11368"] "A host of Elves in armor of the Elder Days" isn't necessarily the same thing as ALL the forces of the First Age elves. It could mean a Third Age-size force with First Age class equipment. (And the First Age elves lost against Morgoth's armies anyway.) "Sauron was 'greater', effectively, in the Second Age than Morgoth at the end of the First." - Morgoth's Ring ("Notes on motives in the Silmarillion") Sauron was certainly defeatable in direct conflict by First- or Second-Age power levels, and defeated ([I]with the Ring[/I] at the end of the Second Age by Elendil, Gil-galad and Isildur; and by Huan in the First Age). But in both cases they were able to confront Sauron directly. There's no teleportation in Arda - an army would have to carve through Sauron's armies first. "A host of Elves in armor of the Elder Days" would be superior one-to-one to Sauron's orc and human forces, but Sauron has overwhelming numbers, as well as things like trolls and Nazgul. The Nazgul might not be much use against people like Glorfindel, but I think only those who had actually been in Valinor had that "Unseen-world presence". The Wood Elves in the Hobbit couldn't see Bilbo with the Ring, so they didn't. [/QUOTE]

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