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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Barastrondo" data-source="post: 5456190" data-attributes="member: 3820">I think unless you were there that's kind of a bit of projection. It can also (easily) be read as the player acting out on his own, singling himself out with his actions. The rest of the group says "hey, let's not attack those orcs"; the rogue says "attack." The rest of the group says "hey, let's not go down in the dungeon"; the rogue says "I go down in the dungeon." Untrue. Everyone got hurt in the fight. The "bound and gagged" thing is left unclear whether it's GM "singling out", but it really comes across as the rest of the party trying to prevent the rogue from getting them into any more unwanted fights, particularly because the rogue has proven he won't listen to them when they say "that's a bad idea." I honestly can't read all this talk of a problematic player being "ostracized" without thinking of <a href="http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html" target="_blank">Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil</a>.Now, I'm not saying that this scenario played out in optimal fashion. But of course, in optimal fashion a player who believes more in metagame reasons for things to happen would be open to being told "no, things will happen in accordance to in-world logic; you may meet orcs who are there because this is a place that orcs sometimes camp, not because I am providing a sack of experience points and loot for you." Plus, and I think this is important -- the other players may not be interested in having everything spoiled in-character because of one player. Some players like to engage with the world in an in-character fashion. At my table, if I had to explain to a single player "Look, this dungeon is four to five levels above you," then everyone else at the table would be disappointed to some degree that they've been shown a look behind the curtain instead of seeing what their characters would see. And again we're left with the question of just why catering to one person should make the game less fun for everyone else at the table.</blockquote>

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