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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5457018" data-attributes="member: 6667746">But the funny thing is you still state that that is ostracizing him and blaming the DM and players for singling him out in that manner.They game him a chance to finish the game, that I would not have let him lst that long. I am not that nice or tolerant.When you blamed the DM for singling ihm out, is where a lot of the argument with yo posts is coming from. The rogue character's player did that too himself.We really don't know if they were stringing him along, at least not the DM; but the players were trying to work it out.I would have just stepped in as the DM long before when the metagaming started, and NOT in a polite hand holding way but more like "The books don't run this game, if you expect something to happen as it would in the books then run your own, in mine I run the game, and if you want to continue playing in it, you won't mention the DMG says this again. This is your one and ONLY warning. Next instance the door is over there, you WILL be using it."I don't teach new players using the books. If they come to me with questions about the books, I will send someone to WotC CS. I didn't write the books. I will teach the game, which is only LOOSELY found in the books of ANY edition.If it is a knowledgeable player, they don't get as nice treatment.ANY player referencing the DMG for ANY edition will also get the "one and only one warning" as the DMG doesn't run the game...i don't play with the metagamers or rules lawyers. Not enough time in my life to mess with that crap.So taking into account a new player and removing that aspect...the player was not new, and just not a pleasant person. The DM wasn't to blame, just tried to make it work for all. The player was himself to blame for ALL the consequences he suffered in AND out of the game. That is the big part of the disagreement with your posts is coming from.I hope you understand now, MANY people think there was other ways, but blaming the DM isn't right because the DM wasn't the cause of the problem.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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