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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5459225" data-attributes="member: 6667746">Because you are looking at it wrong. You are still setting out to blame the DM.The players, none of them, were required to participate in the test. The rogue character's player FORCED the rest into it.They should have left his butt to die on his own. It doesn't seem they needed the player, just the character. Let it die, everyone tell them they would rather game without him, and then find someone else or have one person play two characters or the whole group share the character needed in the future.Just because a DM presents something doesn't mean the players have to access and engage it. They were warned not to.Doesn't mater why a DM puts it in if he leaves it optional to engage with, as was done here.Yeah, you are the same kind of person as this player from that next statement. You seem to be metagamer that thinks the pace of the game is set by the books.The pace is set by the players. The rest of the group were content with taking the warnings given and waiting. The one, not unlike yourself, thought "The books say we are due for this".Get your nose out of the books and listen to the other players. That was the players problem and where ALL the problems within that game lies.Part of all tests in D&D is if the players accept them. Do you engage the enemy or retreat? Do you talk or fight? Do you open the door or not.How you go about opening that door is up to the players, but the DM doesn't force you to do so.The other players didnt want to engage but were forced to by that one player...that is where the fault lies. It wasn't the firt time this player did it to the group either.I think the person was trying to play Belkar, and didn't understand that OOTS is a comic, not the real game of D&D but satire of it. That makes this player a bigger joke than ANY told in OOTS.</blockquote>

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