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Message: <blockquote data-quote="argo" data-source="post: 2852349" data-attributes="member: 5752">With you first scenario I don't think the problem is so much with the clues you gave as the fact that the scenario makes absoluetly no sense at all.  Here you've got a room protected by a powerfull spell wall (protected now, thats a key word, whoever put up that wall doesn't want strangers just walking about doing whatever they want) and they even went to the trouble of making the room teleport proof to make the wall more efficent.  Then after your players walk through the wall (and in the process find out just how painfull and real it is) they find themselves trapped in a dead end.  Obviously whoever designed this death-trap has got them just where he wanted them.  Desperately they search for a way out only to find that the answer is... they can safely pass through the wall the other way?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> You want your players to solve the puzzle using their own brains but the puzzle itself just ins't logical.  You players were probably hopping their divination spells would show them the secret door that the dungeon designer built for himself or the switch to turn off the wall or something else like that.Your second scenario I think was OK.  Maybe your clues wern't perfect but then again maybe a player should once in a while say "eh, I'll throw out a Dispel Magic and see what happens".  Most importantly though it is OK because you had at least one other simple and readily available solutioun, namely that they could just walk through and soak the damage.  (you did impress upon them that animated objects wern't going to do them that much damage right?  they didnt think that they were going to walk in and get blenderized did they?)Later.</blockquote>

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