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<blockquote data-quote="Rackhir" data-source="post: 3172220" data-attributes="member: 149">Not unfair, but you did miss an opportunity for a classic Horror movie bit. You should have had it sneak up on the party, grab once of the PCs and run off. Then you play out the PC against the creature, giving little or no information other than what's happening to the PC. Then have them discover the shreded body a few rounds later after they chased after it, probably getting lost in the tunnels at least once or twice, to drive home the fact that this is the monster's territory and they don't know it. That way you could have made it painfully clear that it wasn't something they could expect to challenge with impunity, without needing to wipe out the entire party.Also a cr 4 creature is not an overwhelming opponent for a 3rd lvl party. That would be a cr 7 creature (overwhelming is 4 cr higher than the party) and even then there is supposed to be a chance of victory. Is the CR 4 before applying the template?All that said, well I'm sure they will be a lot more cautious in the future. Given the kind of campaign it sounds like you are going for, some kind of TPK may have been necessary to break them of their preconcieved notions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rackhir, post: 3172220, member: 149"] Not unfair, but you did miss an opportunity for a classic Horror movie bit. You should have had it sneak up on the party, grab once of the PCs and run off. Then you play out the PC against the creature, giving little or no information other than what's happening to the PC. Then have them discover the shreded body a few rounds later after they chased after it, probably getting lost in the tunnels at least once or twice, to drive home the fact that this is the monster's territory and they don't know it. That way you could have made it painfully clear that it wasn't something they could expect to challenge with impunity, without needing to wipe out the entire party. Also a cr 4 creature is not an overwhelming opponent for a 3rd lvl party. That would be a cr 7 creature (overwhelming is 4 cr higher than the party) and even then there is supposed to be a chance of victory. Is the CR 4 before applying the template? All that said, well I'm sure they will be a lot more cautious in the future. Given the kind of campaign it sounds like you are going for, some kind of TPK may have been necessary to break them of their preconcieved notions. [/QUOTE]

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