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Was Pendragon the proto-Story Now game?
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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8941211" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I think Pendragon is complicated. So [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] is right. But so, in an important sense, is [USER=6898322]@Vinicius Lessa[/USER].</p><p></p><p>In terms of "orthodox" taxonomy: Ron Edwards discusses Pendragon as a simulationist game <a href="http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/15/" target="_blank">here</a>, but compares it to Wuthering Heights in <a href="http://www.indie-rpgs.com/reviews/23/" target="_blank">this review of the latter</a>, and classifies Wuthering Heights as narrativist <a href="http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/15/" target="_blank">here</a>. So I'd be inclined to say that Pendragon as it presents itself is simulationist - a type of procedurally very tight high concept simulation - but that it lends itself to drift in a narrativist direction.</p><p></p><p>It's not a coincidence, I think, that Christopher Kubasik's <a href="https://playsorcerer.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/the-interactive-toolkit-part-four-running-story-entertainments/" target="_blank">worked example of a "story entertainment"</a> in his influential Interactive Toolkit is highly (highly!) drifted Pendragon. Pendragon PCs are laden with premise, and lend themselves to situation-oriented story now/narrativist play.</p><p></p><p>I've often posted that I prefer Prince Valiant to Pendragon: I regard the former as Stafford's true Arthurian masterpiece. (Without in any sense dismissing the achievement that is Pendragon.) Prince Valiant strips away some of the process simulationist legacy that is still found in Pendragon (eg the rules for recovery and death are very easy: they happen when the GM says they do, based on what the player has staked in play); and it has simple but robust rules for social and emotional conflicts and consequences. (Similar basically to simple or extended contests in HeroQuest Revised, so a bit simpler than HeroWars extended contests.)</p><p></p><p>Hopefully the above will prompt some responses!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8941211, member: 42582"] I think Pendragon is complicated. So [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] is right. But so, in an important sense, is [USER=6898322]@Vinicius Lessa[/USER]. In terms of "orthodox" taxonomy: Ron Edwards discusses Pendragon as a simulationist game [url=http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/15/]here[/url], but compares it to Wuthering Heights in [url=http://www.indie-rpgs.com/reviews/23/]this review of the latter[/url], and classifies Wuthering Heights as narrativist [url=http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/15/]here[/url]. So I'd be inclined to say that Pendragon as it presents itself is simulationist - a type of procedurally very tight high concept simulation - but that it lends itself to drift in a narrativist direction. It's not a coincidence, I think, that Christopher Kubasik's [url=https://playsorcerer.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/the-interactive-toolkit-part-four-running-story-entertainments/]worked example of a "story entertainment"[/url] in his influential Interactive Toolkit is highly (highly!) drifted Pendragon. Pendragon PCs are laden with premise, and lend themselves to situation-oriented story now/narrativist play. I've often posted that I prefer Prince Valiant to Pendragon: I regard the former as Stafford's true Arthurian masterpiece. (Without in any sense dismissing the achievement that is Pendragon.) Prince Valiant strips away some of the process simulationist legacy that is still found in Pendragon (eg the rules for recovery and death are very easy: they happen when the GM says they do, based on what the player has staked in play); and it has simple but robust rules for social and emotional conflicts and consequences. (Similar basically to simple or extended contests in HeroQuest Revised, so a bit simpler than HeroWars extended contests.) Hopefully the above will prompt some responses! [/QUOTE]
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