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Was the 'Mithral Fullplate/Heavy Armor Optimization Feat' questions ever settled?
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<blockquote data-quote="Nebten" data-source="post: 5587046" data-attributes="member: 79391"><p>I don't know if the dust was ever offically settled on this, but here's what the FAQ says:</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><p style="text-align: left">Is a character proficient with light armor, such as a rogue, considered to be proficient with mithral breastplate?</p></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p style="text-align: left"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">What about a character proficient with medium armor, such as a barbarian—is he considered proficient with mithral full plate armor?</p><p></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><p style="text-align: left">The description of mithral on page 284 of the </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">DMG </span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">is less precise than it could be in defining how it interacts with armor proficiency rules. The simplest answer—and the one that the Sage expects most players and DMs use—is that mithral armor is treated as one category lighter for all purposes, including</span></span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">proficiency. This isn’t exactly what the </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">DMG </span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">says, but it’s a reasonable interpretation of the intent of the rule (and it’s supported by a number of precedents, including the descriptions of various specific mithral armors described on page 220 of the </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">DMG </span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">and a variety of NPC stat blocks).</span></span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Thus, a ranger or rogue could wear a mithral breastplate without suffering a nonproficiency penalty <strong>(since it’s treated as light armor</strong>), and each could use any ability dependent on wearing light or no armor (such as evasion or the ranger’s combat style). <strong>A barbarian could wear mithral full plate armor without suffering a nonproficiency penalty (since it’s treated as medium armor), and he could use any ability dependent on wearing medium or lighter armor (such as fast movement).</strong></span></span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">The same would be true of any other special material that uses the same or similar language as mithral (such as darkleaf, on page 120 of the </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">ECS</span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">).</span></span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Therefore, I would have to say it counts as Medium Armor and thus it wouldn't work with HAO. Otherwise you would be having your cake and eating it too. Luckly it is clearified in Pathfinder and in PF it would count for HAO. So do what ever is most fun.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nebten, post: 5587046, member: 79391"] I don't know if the dust was ever offically settled on this, but here's what the FAQ says: [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][LEFT]Is a character proficient with light armor, such as a rogue, considered to be proficient with mithral breastplate? What about a character proficient with medium armor, such as a barbarian—is he considered proficient with mithral full plate armor?[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][LEFT]The description of mithral on page 284 of the [/LEFT][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]DMG [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]is less precise than it could be in defining how it interacts with armor proficiency rules. The simplest answer—and the one that the Sage expects most players and DMs use—is that mithral armor is treated as one category lighter for all purposes, including proficiency. This isn’t exactly what the [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]DMG [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]says, but it’s a reasonable interpretation of the intent of the rule (and it’s supported by a number of precedents, including the descriptions of various specific mithral armors described on page 220 of the [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]DMG [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]and a variety of NPC stat blocks). Thus, a ranger or rogue could wear a mithral breastplate without suffering a nonproficiency penalty [B](since it’s treated as light armor[/B]), and each could use any ability dependent on wearing light or no armor (such as evasion or the ranger’s combat style). [B]A barbarian could wear mithral full plate armor without suffering a nonproficiency penalty (since it’s treated as medium armor), and he could use any ability dependent on wearing medium or lighter armor (such as fast movement).[/B] The same would be true of any other special material that uses the same or similar language as mithral (such as darkleaf, on page 120 of the [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]ECS[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]).[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]Therefore, I would have to say it counts as Medium Armor and thus it wouldn't work with HAO. Otherwise you would be having your cake and eating it too. Luckly it is clearified in Pathfinder and in PF it would count for HAO. So do what ever is most fun.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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