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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6367632" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Well for me is a concern, as I say I don't play wizards I play sorcerers and part of being a sorcerer is having the choice of using meaningful weapons. It is easy not to care about them with the old &quot;but you were bad at it anyway&quot; which just isn't true, in 3e a sorcerer wielding weapons was perfectly viable at the lower levels, and by the time you were starting to lag behind other options to keep you relevant if you wanted came online. In 4e you also had that possibility, maybe you never got weapon powers (beyond those restricted to daggers), but if you were a dragon/cosmic sorcerer you indeed had a good mba by default and could use spears and some light meleeing at low cost. In both editions it was one thing that as a sorcerer you could indeed do better than a wizard, no walking sticks and miniature blades, but spears, maces and sickles. If a wizard wanted into the game, it costed him a feat, but didn't have the advantages you had in each respective edition (More HP and better AC in 4e, tactical versatility for gishing in 3.x, a high level sorcerer could easily slaughter enemies by a combination of swift melee spells and the right buffs on demand). But more importantly, it was an option you had as a sorcerer.And come on, the original iconic sorcerer has a spear! why take it away?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6367632, member: 6689464"] Well for me is a concern, as I say I don't play wizards I play sorcerers and part of being a sorcerer is having the choice of using meaningful weapons. It is easy not to care about them with the old "but you were bad at it anyway" which just isn't true, in 3e a sorcerer wielding weapons was perfectly viable at the lower levels, and by the time you were starting to lag behind other options to keep you relevant if you wanted came online. In 4e you also had that possibility, maybe you never got weapon powers (beyond those restricted to daggers), but if you were a dragon/cosmic sorcerer you indeed had a good mba by default and could use spears and some light meleeing at low cost. In both editions it was one thing that as a sorcerer you could indeed do better than a wizard, no walking sticks and miniature blades, but spears, maces and sickles. If a wizard wanted into the game, it costed him a feat, but didn't have the advantages you had in each respective edition (More HP and better AC in 4e, tactical versatility for gishing in 3.x, a high level sorcerer could easily slaughter enemies by a combination of swift melee spells and the right buffs on demand). But more importantly, it was an option you had as a sorcerer. And come on, the original iconic sorcerer has a spear! why take it away? [/QUOTE]

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