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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 4546839" data-attributes="member: 158">My personal take is that there was a strong need for just over half of the changes to 4E. The powers and the healing surges, which two seem to generate the most ire, could have been done in other ways, but a lot of the other changes, to monsters, to conditions, defenses, reining in the math, the battlemap simplifications in movement, etc. were all to my eyes fairly important changes. Hell, in our 3.5 games now, I STILL refer to characters and effects in squares of range, and I'm getting the other players to do the same, whether they like 4E or not! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />If would could call 50% of the game changes &quot;tweaking&quot;, then it's just tweaks needed. The powers might have been done differently, because it seems to be a &quot;bridge too far&quot; with a lot of folks, but the other changes don't seem to cause as many divisions among groups.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry, post: 4546839, member: 158"] My personal take is that there was a strong need for just over half of the changes to 4E. The powers and the healing surges, which two seem to generate the most ire, could have been done in other ways, but a lot of the other changes, to monsters, to conditions, defenses, reining in the math, the battlemap simplifications in movement, etc. were all to my eyes fairly important changes. Hell, in our 3.5 games now, I STILL refer to characters and effects in squares of range, and I'm getting the other players to do the same, whether they like 4E or not! :) If would could call 50% of the game changes "tweaking", then it's just tweaks needed. The powers might have been done differently, because it seems to be a "bridge too far" with a lot of folks, but the other changes don't seem to cause as many divisions among groups. [/QUOTE]

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