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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beefermatic" data-source="post: 8655604" data-attributes="member: 6670757">To be honest the Ancient Ones, or any of Apep's stuff with like a billion hit dice are worthless in my opinion as a party of players, no matter how long they play could ever get to that point, it has what like 8 million hit dice? Highlord Stage 80,000?I made my campaign's Supreme Being, Thychen, Highlord Stage 72 on purpose as I wanted the players to be able to interact with the being on a more dynamic level at some point theoretically. I could have made him Highlord Stage a Billion, but if there's no way to actually get there, it becomes statistical masturbation at a certain point. There's no point to statting something if it's stats are just infinity signs, it's hit dice are infinity signs, and it's Divine Ranks are infinity signs as well, like what's the point? When is it ever going to be used beyond some Deus Ex Machina way?Imo, Bythos is a good place to start and go downward in dice from there, otherwise the stat block won't ever be used by anyone in any real meaningful way.</blockquote>