Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Enchanted Trinkets Complete--a hardcover book containing over 500 magic items for your D&D games!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Water, water everywhere, Nor any drop to drink
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6816831" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I'm not a designer. Especially not for 5e.</p><p></p><p>But I'm pretty confident that a game that can support barbarians with their rage, monks with their ki, the variety of casting classes that exist (including their various spell lists and spell progressions), and battle masters with their strong multi-attack plus manoeuvres, has the design space for a martial support character who is a second-tier warrior and is able to provide inspirational healing and buffing of both bonuses and action economy.</p><p></p><p>Your argument that it can't be done - which, somewhat confusingly, you seem to assert simultaneously with the claim that it <em>has already</em> been done - appears to boil down to the claim that different people want slightly different things from the warlord. To me that's no different from the fact that people want different things from the ranger, from psionics, from sorcerers, etc.</p><p></p><p>Part of the skill of design for a game like D&D that has a vary wide player base with varying desires is to come up with designs that manage to satisfy as many different players as possible, in part by including options and in part by finding clever ways to realise multiple conceptions or aspirations through a single mechanic or class feature. The biggest failure in this respect, as far as 5e is concerned, seems to be the ranger. There's no apriori reason to think that a well-designed warlord would do any worse than this, and it could well do better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6816831, member: 42582"] I'm not a designer. Especially not for 5e. But I'm pretty confident that a game that can support barbarians with their rage, monks with their ki, the variety of casting classes that exist (including their various spell lists and spell progressions), and battle masters with their strong multi-attack plus manoeuvres, has the design space for a martial support character who is a second-tier warrior and is able to provide inspirational healing and buffing of both bonuses and action economy. Your argument that it can't be done - which, somewhat confusingly, you seem to assert simultaneously with the claim that it [I]has already[/I] been done - appears to boil down to the claim that different people want slightly different things from the warlord. To me that's no different from the fact that people want different things from the ranger, from psionics, from sorcerers, etc. Part of the skill of design for a game like D&D that has a vary wide player base with varying desires is to come up with designs that manage to satisfy as many different players as possible, in part by including options and in part by finding clever ways to realise multiple conceptions or aspirations through a single mechanic or class feature. The biggest failure in this respect, as far as 5e is concerned, seems to be the ranger. There's no apriori reason to think that a well-designed warlord would do any worse than this, and it could well do better. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Water, water everywhere, Nor any drop to drink
Top