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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mellored" data-source="post: 6817103" data-attributes="member: 6801209">Depends on how you build it.I can make a bard does no damage, and still be effective.Or i can make one that does 70% support, 30% damage.Or 50% support, 50% damage.Or 30% support, 70% damage.(hard to go much lower with a bard without losing effectiveness).A fighter can, go from100% damage, 0% buffto 50% damage, 50% buff.but no higher.  And that 50% took a bit of char-opping to not lose effectiveness.That leaves the entire 100% to 50% martial support range unfulfilled.Cleric, wizard, and bard buffs last for multiple turns.If you cast greater invisibility on the sharpshooter fighter, and cast firebolt 3 times, you may have spent more actions dealing damage, but your spend more resourced on buffing for a bigger impact.And just to backup my assertion...level 11SSfighter no buff 1d8+15 * (.7 - .25) = 8.775 * 3 = 26.325SSfighter with buff 1d8+15 * (.6975) = 13.60125 * 3 = 40.80375net = 14.47875 * 4 turns = 57.915firebolt 3d10 * .6 = 9.9 * 3 turns = 29.766% buff, 33% damage.</blockquote>