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<blockquote data-quote="jayoungr" data-source="post: 6820258" data-attributes="member: 6702445"><p>I don't think anyone can or would make that claim of a game that includes the Help action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I can understand how it seems odd to some players not to decide for themselves when their PCs are inspired enough to perform better, however. And I know you'll say "But bards and clerics!"--but I don't think that invalidates the point; it merely focuses the discussion on degree.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I reeeeeeeeally don't think we should be using Gandalf as an example of completely mundane inspiration, because he is not a mundane being. Let's also not forget that shortly before this "inspiring and heartening," he had rescued Faramir from the nazgûl with some kind of bolt of white light, in full view of the entire city. I don't think this is completely unconnected to his ability to rally the Gondorian soldiers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>...In part due to his rank and position as their king and military commander.</p><p></p><p>I'd be more interested in literary examples of inspiration coming from a completely mundane non-magical human who (1) is not already a leader/commander thanks to some kind of authority structure such as social class or military rank, and (2) does not end up being granted command over others thanks to his/her inspiring abilities (i.e. "We'll all willingly follow you because you inspire us!"). An inspirer among equals, in other words, which is what I think the warlord is theoretically aiming for? (Correct me if I'm wrong about that.)</p><p></p><p>So far, Captain America is the only example that I've seen of this particular model, and it's a good one--though it's worth noting that he is a commander of sorts, giving out assignments to others in his group (see point 2 above). Are there more? Bonus points if one of these inspirers-among-equals can inspire someone out of unconsciousness, though I recognize that might be more of a mechanical thing than a literary one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jayoungr, post: 6820258, member: 6702445"] I don't think anyone can or would make that claim of a game that includes the Help action. I can understand how it seems odd to some players not to decide for themselves when their PCs are inspired enough to perform better, however. And I know you'll say "But bards and clerics!"--but I don't think that invalidates the point; it merely focuses the discussion on degree. I reeeeeeeeally don't think we should be using Gandalf as an example of completely mundane inspiration, because he is not a mundane being. Let's also not forget that shortly before this "inspiring and heartening," he had rescued Faramir from the nazgûl with some kind of bolt of white light, in full view of the entire city. I don't think this is completely unconnected to his ability to rally the Gondorian soldiers. ...In part due to his rank and position as their king and military commander. I'd be more interested in literary examples of inspiration coming from a completely mundane non-magical human who (1) is not already a leader/commander thanks to some kind of authority structure such as social class or military rank, and (2) does not end up being granted command over others thanks to his/her inspiring abilities (i.e. "We'll all willingly follow you because you inspire us!"). An inspirer among equals, in other words, which is what I think the warlord is theoretically aiming for? (Correct me if I'm wrong about that.) So far, Captain America is the only example that I've seen of this particular model, and it's a good one--though it's worth noting that he is a commander of sorts, giving out assignments to others in his group (see point 2 above). Are there more? Bonus points if one of these inspirers-among-equals can inspire someone out of unconsciousness, though I recognize that might be more of a mechanical thing than a literary one. [/QUOTE]
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