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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6828174" data-attributes="member: 37579">We went through that before. It wasn't "well supported". That play style was used to justify the existence of a class and then given lip support with half a page of rules buried in a book released over a year after launch. It was never a goal, it was something they used to sell the need for the warlord. And it certainly was not "well-supported". Magic was very much an assumption of the game. And pretty much always has been.And I could make that exact same claim about a dozen of other play styles. Wuxia for one, based on Oriental Adventures, which was featured in 1e and 2e. Dark Fantasy, as demonstrated by Ravenloft being in 1e, 2e, and 3e. Or Gamma World. That's seen some love in 1-2e, 3rd party support in 3e, and the boxed sets in 4e. There could easily be a Gamma World class adding some sci-fi to the game.I repeat: we DO NOT need a new class or two for every play style. It works better for everyone if they work that new combat into the existing classes.Judging by the sales and response to 5e, then that's mission accomplished. People have wholeheartedly embraced 5e.Factions only exist on message boards. This "faction" is five or six dudes that post here. It exists solely on this subforum.Balanced in 4e. But 4e balanced does not equal 5e balance. A lot of what worked then doesn't work now, just as what works in 5e would break 4e. Sure there is. Any new addition leads to a little more bloat. I don't see how proving that the fighter is the king of single target damage means it cannot do anything else. I'm not arguing that the fighter cannot DPR. I'm arguing that it's not just good for DPG, that you can build a useful and effective fighter that does more than DPR and might even be poor at DPR. And that variants for the class can easily be designed that encourage you to build alternate fighters that do other things than DPR. That the fighter framework is more flexible than you give it credit for. And adding a new class that does DPR via other characters doesn't add anything new either. Still martial. Still DPR. Just different flavour to the DPR delivery method.I could say that about ANY of the martial classes in 1e-4e. The warblade, the knight, the cavalier, the thief-acrobat. The only really thing that differentiates the warlord from any other past edition class is that it was in a PHB. Nothing else makes it stand out. And the sole importance of it being in the PHB is only remotely relevant based on a single offhand comment made once by Mearls that is likely mis-remembered and likely being a rough goal and not hard benchmark. And you have to really stack on clarifies to say there's nothing like the warlord. The battle master doesn't count because it can deal damage, the bard because it has spells, and the purple dragon knight because it's name starts with a "p" and only uses the term "warlord" once.</blockquote>

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