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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6831369" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I am saying that none of them is as good at it as a character built with resources dedicated to that - much like none of those characters can call upon the mercy of the gods as well as a character built with resources dedicated to that; much like none of them (except the warlock) can make a pact with a devil to the same degree of effectiveness as a character built with resources dedicated to that.</p><p></p><p>You seem to think there is some sort of natural law which means that it is appropriate for pact-swearing, or being beloved of the gods, to be class features; but being inspirational should not be. To me, the distinction seems arbitrary.</p><p></p><p>As per the Gygax quote, I think that for all characters that is some of it. I think for paladins and clerics it is probably most of it.</p><p></p><p>If your character doesn't like my warlord, or does not find his/her words inspiring, why can't you as a player decline the offered buff?</p><p></p><p>That's how it worked in 4e, so why would 5e be any different?</p><p></p><p>In practice, I suspect that most tables would let a player decline a Bless on his/her PC also, even though technically that would be against the rules. (By the rules, Bless appears to be mind control with no save.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6831369, member: 42582"] I am saying that none of them is as good at it as a character built with resources dedicated to that - much like none of those characters can call upon the mercy of the gods as well as a character built with resources dedicated to that; much like none of them (except the warlock) can make a pact with a devil to the same degree of effectiveness as a character built with resources dedicated to that. You seem to think there is some sort of natural law which means that it is appropriate for pact-swearing, or being beloved of the gods, to be class features; but being inspirational should not be. To me, the distinction seems arbitrary. As per the Gygax quote, I think that for all characters that is some of it. I think for paladins and clerics it is probably most of it. If your character doesn't like my warlord, or does not find his/her words inspiring, why can't you as a player decline the offered buff? That's how it worked in 4e, so why would 5e be any different? In practice, I suspect that most tables would let a player decline a Bless on his/her PC also, even though technically that would be against the rules. (By the rules, Bless appears to be mind control with no save.) [/QUOTE]
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