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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6835324" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>A reputation here in this subforum with the maybe 10 people who regularly post in it. Not a particularly a huge sampling. </p><p></p><p></p><p>To you. </p><p>I'm guessing everyone else is happy with the Battle Master or PDK. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That you refer to all of the content of the DMs Guild it as "amateur" says a lot about your biases. </p><p></p><p>What, pray tell, separates and "amateur" from a "professional"?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So it can *only* be solved by a "professional" product, which probably means one published by WotC? Who are, of course, going to make such a product because of the overwhelming demand shown on the DMsGuild. </p><p></p><p>That's ridiculous full of assumptions. </p><p>Not only that there is a large audience of warlord fans who are unsatisfied, but that all share your dismissive opinion of 3rd Party material, of warlords only working as a full class, and a belief that the best way to get such a class is to show no interest or support of any attempts to make content that supports that trope. But are also for some reason completely unwilling to make this class they so desperately want themselves, or even accept a subclass as "better than nothing". </p><p></p><p>Which is really what it comes down to. Right now the choices are really "subclass that is better than nothing", "DIY", or "nothing". And the fans are voting for "nothing", with both their wallets and their time. Okay, cool. That seems to be their choice. "Nothing" for the win. </p><p>Not what I'd choose. I'd go "DIY" (and am making decent money doing so). </p><p>But when you choose "nothing" you kinda lose the right to complain about not having anything to show for it. </p><p></p><p></p><p>WotC's surveys did show that the majority of gamers aren't edition warriors and have no preference for edition, playing whatever their DM wants or the current edition. And we do know that Pathfinder outsold 4e despite the number of Pathfinder books being sold each year being fairly small compared to the number of 3e books (or 4e at launch). 4e lost as more sales to 3e or just apathy than they lost to Pathfinder. </p><p></p><p>That really means that the number of ardent 4e fans is likely proportionately small. Of that minority, the number of warlord fans is smaller still. And those that strongly want a warlord class rather a fighter archetype is smaller still. And of that sub-sub-percentage, the number who are playing 5e rather than 4e (i.e. the game they are a strong fan of and it's pretty damn playable) or another system would be even smaller still.</p><p>I don't think there was a drop-off so much as never all that many to begin with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 6835324, member: 37579"] A reputation here in this subforum with the maybe 10 people who regularly post in it. Not a particularly a huge sampling. To you. I'm guessing everyone else is happy with the Battle Master or PDK. That you refer to all of the content of the DMs Guild it as "amateur" says a lot about your biases. What, pray tell, separates and "amateur" from a "professional"? So it can *only* be solved by a "professional" product, which probably means one published by WotC? Who are, of course, going to make such a product because of the overwhelming demand shown on the DMsGuild. That's ridiculous full of assumptions. Not only that there is a large audience of warlord fans who are unsatisfied, but that all share your dismissive opinion of 3rd Party material, of warlords only working as a full class, and a belief that the best way to get such a class is to show no interest or support of any attempts to make content that supports that trope. But are also for some reason completely unwilling to make this class they so desperately want themselves, or even accept a subclass as "better than nothing". Which is really what it comes down to. Right now the choices are really "subclass that is better than nothing", "DIY", or "nothing". And the fans are voting for "nothing", with both their wallets and their time. Okay, cool. That seems to be their choice. "Nothing" for the win. Not what I'd choose. I'd go "DIY" (and am making decent money doing so). But when you choose "nothing" you kinda lose the right to complain about not having anything to show for it. WotC's surveys did show that the majority of gamers aren't edition warriors and have no preference for edition, playing whatever their DM wants or the current edition. And we do know that Pathfinder outsold 4e despite the number of Pathfinder books being sold each year being fairly small compared to the number of 3e books (or 4e at launch). 4e lost as more sales to 3e or just apathy than they lost to Pathfinder. That really means that the number of ardent 4e fans is likely proportionately small. Of that minority, the number of warlord fans is smaller still. And those that strongly want a warlord class rather a fighter archetype is smaller still. And of that sub-sub-percentage, the number who are playing 5e rather than 4e (i.e. the game they are a strong fan of and it's pretty damn playable) or another system would be even smaller still. I don't think there was a drop-off so much as never all that many to begin with. [/QUOTE]
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