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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6835373" data-attributes="member: 996">No, we've been over this before.  D&D stayed ahead of PF from the moment PF was released in 2009, until after the last 4e product had hit the shelves and Essentials been rolled out with much fanfare.The strongest sales for an RPG have always been at release.  4e sold well at release.  A year into it's run, 4e still beat Pathfinder's release.  Pathfinder, a year in, beat the Essentials release.   The Essentials format was quickly dropped, and the remaining run of hardcover D&D books (whether you want to count them as Essentials, 4e, or - I think, most relevantly - just D&D), did go on beating PF until WotC just stopped putting them out with the announcement of Next.  As soon as D&D hit the shelves again, it was right back on top, and has stayed there.  That points to PF fans being decidedly in the minority - and the Essentials boxed-sets-and-little-softbacks format being a boondoggle.As much as you may want to claim that 4e appealed to only a 'tiny minority,' the numbers have always told a different story.  But, again, even if we humor you and assume 4e fans /are/ that tiny a minority, they still don't deserve to be excluded from 5e, which did start with the goal of healing the rift of the edition war and being for fans of all prior editions.</blockquote>