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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6843104" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>I'm still somewhat curious why people think fighters should be the base class of a warlord. What does the fighter base class get that applies to a warlord. See, in 5e, your base class supplies most of your character's niche. The things your character is most likely doing most of the time. So, casters get cantrips, and either Rituals or Invocations for in and out of combat casting. If you play a caster, you are likely dropping a spell just about every round, and most certainly every encounter. All rogues get sneak attack because you are expected to be trying to get that sneak attack every round of combat. Your fighter is making extra attacks and probably relying on effects from his bonus feats every round. So on and so forth.</p><p></p><p>Sub-classes modify this of course, but, your sub-class abilities don't come up as often as your class niche abilities. The Battlemaster has limited superiority dice - he simply can't spam them every round. Sure, your Assassin gets a big boost in the first round of combat, but, after that, he's pretty much just a regular thief. </p><p></p><p>So, trying to make a Warlord a sub-class of a Battlemaster is basically making a sub-class of a sub-class. Meaning that it's very, very far from its niche.</p><p></p><p>But, look at what a base fighter gets:</p><p></p><p>d10 HP</p><p>Simple and Martial Weapons</p><p>All armour</p><p>Fighting Style</p><p>Action Surge</p><p>Extra Attack (+1-3)</p><p>Bonus Feats (3)</p><p>Indomitable </p><p></p><p>Now, most of that in no way actually applies to a warlord. Warlords never had all armours - they were limited to medium armours. Fighting style? Ok, fair enough, all the "fighty types" get this, so, I can see a warlord having it. Action Surge? Bonus Feats? Indomitable? Why? None of that applies to a warlord at all. Even the third and fourth attacks from being a fighter in no way apply.</p><p></p><p>Any Warlord based on a fighter chassis is totally missing the point. Just because a class uses a sword and does some fighting doesn't make it a fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6843104, member: 22779"] I'm still somewhat curious why people think fighters should be the base class of a warlord. What does the fighter base class get that applies to a warlord. See, in 5e, your base class supplies most of your character's niche. The things your character is most likely doing most of the time. So, casters get cantrips, and either Rituals or Invocations for in and out of combat casting. If you play a caster, you are likely dropping a spell just about every round, and most certainly every encounter. All rogues get sneak attack because you are expected to be trying to get that sneak attack every round of combat. Your fighter is making extra attacks and probably relying on effects from his bonus feats every round. So on and so forth. Sub-classes modify this of course, but, your sub-class abilities don't come up as often as your class niche abilities. The Battlemaster has limited superiority dice - he simply can't spam them every round. Sure, your Assassin gets a big boost in the first round of combat, but, after that, he's pretty much just a regular thief. So, trying to make a Warlord a sub-class of a Battlemaster is basically making a sub-class of a sub-class. Meaning that it's very, very far from its niche. But, look at what a base fighter gets: d10 HP Simple and Martial Weapons All armour Fighting Style Action Surge Extra Attack (+1-3) Bonus Feats (3) Indomitable Now, most of that in no way actually applies to a warlord. Warlords never had all armours - they were limited to medium armours. Fighting style? Ok, fair enough, all the "fighty types" get this, so, I can see a warlord having it. Action Surge? Bonus Feats? Indomitable? Why? None of that applies to a warlord at all. Even the third and fourth attacks from being a fighter in no way apply. Any Warlord based on a fighter chassis is totally missing the point. Just because a class uses a sword and does some fighting doesn't make it a fighter. [/QUOTE]
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