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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6843943" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>5e gives you multiple paths to many concepts. A swashbuckler or duelist concept could be a DEX-based BM or Swashbuckler Rogue, as you point out. A Bard or Bladesinger wouldn't be entirely out of character buckling some swash (nor have any trouble pulling it off), either, their supernatural abilities just aren't called for by the concept. It's not just concepts that never rated a full PH1 class before, either, most of the concepts typically associated with the classic classes included in 5e can be approached from a different angle and done with a different class + Background, and yet more ways if feats & MCing are used. A holy warrior could be a Paladin, or a Fighter with the Acolyte Background, or War Cleric with the Soldier Background, with Feats in play, that Fighter could add Magic Initiate or the Cleric Martial Adept, just cut to the chase and allow MCing into Fighter/Cleric - all those ways to go paladiny, doesn't mean you can't have an actual Paladin. A studious master of magic could be a Wizard, or a Bard or even Warlock or Sorcerer or EK or AT with the Sage background, or even a more 'theoretical' student of magic with the Sage background, Expertise in Arcana, and no actual spells, or just a touch from Magic Initiate. A 'priest of nature' could be a Druid, of course, or a Cleric with the right Domain, or an Acolyte Ranger. And on and on. </p><p></p><p>All of that neatly illustrates how far off base the OP was in suggesting that the odd Feat, Background, and/or sub-class obviates the need for a 5e version of the Warlord.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6843943, member: 996"] 5e gives you multiple paths to many concepts. A swashbuckler or duelist concept could be a DEX-based BM or Swashbuckler Rogue, as you point out. A Bard or Bladesinger wouldn't be entirely out of character buckling some swash (nor have any trouble pulling it off), either, their supernatural abilities just aren't called for by the concept. It's not just concepts that never rated a full PH1 class before, either, most of the concepts typically associated with the classic classes included in 5e can be approached from a different angle and done with a different class + Background, and yet more ways if feats & MCing are used. A holy warrior could be a Paladin, or a Fighter with the Acolyte Background, or War Cleric with the Soldier Background, with Feats in play, that Fighter could add Magic Initiate or the Cleric Martial Adept, just cut to the chase and allow MCing into Fighter/Cleric - all those ways to go paladiny, doesn't mean you can't have an actual Paladin. A studious master of magic could be a Wizard, or a Bard or even Warlock or Sorcerer or EK or AT with the Sage background, or even a more 'theoretical' student of magic with the Sage background, Expertise in Arcana, and no actual spells, or just a touch from Magic Initiate. A 'priest of nature' could be a Druid, of course, or a Cleric with the right Domain, or an Acolyte Ranger. And on and on. All of that neatly illustrates how far off base the OP was in suggesting that the odd Feat, Background, and/or sub-class obviates the need for a 5e version of the Warlord. [/QUOTE]
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