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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6853990" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>The rules imply it takes less. A 1st level wizard can learn to cast magic missile, in addition to several other spells, several cantrips, and getting a +2 to hit in a selection of weapons. He can even learn magic missile on his first adventure, if he didn't start with it and encounters a text of it, he can just study it and add it to his spells known.</p><p></p><p>Those would all seem to apply to the BM's maneuvers. But moreso:</p><p></p><p>2) It's actually a lot harder for a BM to learn a new maneuver than for a wizard to learn a new spell.</p><p>A Battlemaster can only learn a half dozen or so maneuvers over 20 levels, but a wizard can learn many spells, can even learn a new spell by encountering a text of it and studying it. Seems it's almost trivially easy to learn a spell compared to learning a maneuver. OTOH, Magic Initiate and Martial Adept put about the same feat cost on learning a spell or maneuver 'off label.' Even if you compare BM to EK, the EK learns more spells faster (and of increasing level) than the BM learns maneuvers (that aren't leveled).</p><p></p><p>3) Is not for balance reasons: a BM who could spend his CS die on any maneuver in the book would hardly be imbalanced. He'd barely be noticeably better than the usual 3-maneuver BM. Perhaps, it's so every BM won't be identical?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6853990, member: 996"] The rules imply it takes less. A 1st level wizard can learn to cast magic missile, in addition to several other spells, several cantrips, and getting a +2 to hit in a selection of weapons. He can even learn magic missile on his first adventure, if he didn't start with it and encounters a text of it, he can just study it and add it to his spells known. Those would all seem to apply to the BM's maneuvers. But moreso: 2) It's actually a lot harder for a BM to learn a new maneuver than for a wizard to learn a new spell. A Battlemaster can only learn a half dozen or so maneuvers over 20 levels, but a wizard can learn many spells, can even learn a new spell by encountering a text of it and studying it. Seems it's almost trivially easy to learn a spell compared to learning a maneuver. OTOH, Magic Initiate and Martial Adept put about the same feat cost on learning a spell or maneuver 'off label.' Even if you compare BM to EK, the EK learns more spells faster (and of increasing level) than the BM learns maneuvers (that aren't leveled). 3) Is not for balance reasons: a BM who could spend his CS die on any maneuver in the book would hardly be imbalanced. He'd barely be noticeably better than the usual 3-maneuver BM. Perhaps, it's so every BM won't be identical? [/QUOTE]
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