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<blockquote data-quote="Magus_Jerel" data-source="post: 192403" data-attributes="member: 3940">The ring of counterspells doesn't work against touch spells.The only way you could get this to happen in theory is if the defender were within striking distance as he cast the spell.It's a big honking F.U.B.A.R. of touch spells and the &quot;combat action system&quot; that causes this; the &quot;casting&quot; and the &quot;attack&quot; action MAY be taken in the same action; but since you are probably in melee combat (drawing the AoO) it doesn't seem unbalancing. - so sayeth designers.The inconsistency generated by this FUBAR is what is causing you to think that the ring of counterspells would work against the harm spell.&nbsp; For all purposes OTHER than the &quot;round system&quot; of action - the act of casting a touch spell is separate from actually smacking your foe with said spell.The true headches for rules lawyers only come when you try to defty avoid that nasty AoO - and don't want to cast defensively and risk the spell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magus_Jerel, post: 192403, member: 3940"] The ring of counterspells doesn't work against touch spells. The only way you could get this to happen in theory is if the defender were within striking distance as he cast the spell. It's a big honking F.U.B.A.R. of touch spells and the "combat action system" that causes this; the "casting" and the "attack" action MAY be taken in the same action; but since you are probably in melee combat (drawing the AoO) it doesn't seem unbalancing. - so sayeth designers. The inconsistency generated by this FUBAR is what is causing you to think that the ring of counterspells would work against the harm spell. For all purposes OTHER than the "round system" of action - the act of casting a touch spell is separate from actually smacking your foe with said spell. The true headches for rules lawyers only come when you try to defty avoid that nasty AoO - and don't want to cast defensively and risk the spell. [/QUOTE]

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