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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tonguez" data-source="post: 9138912" data-attributes="member: 1125">Dont forget Legolas with his arrows and high athletics check got to climb, slay and surf down the trunk of an oliphant - no enhancements other than being skilled and awesome.  Batman‘s also a gadget-guy but he also got superior stealth, perception, intimidation and martial arts skills.. In the same way Sherlock Holmes is a hero with ‘super’ investigation, Insight and Lore skills (as well as high level martial arts).but yeah after reading this thread I went and had a flick through Mutants and Masterminds and infact an online Hawkeye build. It reminded me that Hawkeye is in fact Olympic Athlete-Remarkable levell when it comes to his Athletics and Acrobatics skills, and that his eyesight is superior to most people too.  I did wonder is at Tier 3 a new set of Heroic Ability Ranks could be used to push PCs beyond the 20 cap. Hawkeye would be Str rank 3 (gifted) and Dex rank 7 (peak human)The Avengers problem isnt a problem though because while Hawkeye and Black Widow dont stand a chance in melee against the Hulk or Thor, they dont have to. Hawkeye is a sniper using his trick arrow (tech) for range attacks and area control (and has agility to survive melee too). Black Widow is all about Stealth, Infiltration and Charisma (seduction), she could get by as gifted human (though she needs a quick kill/coup de grace ability) The MCU Widow also gets her lullaby ability that allows her to de-rage the Hulk and bring Banner back.Anyway my point I think is that making Tier 3 explicitly superhuman (and Tier 4 Immortals) might work by adding Tier 3 Skills and Ability ranks that allow for Martials to get a power boost without busting bounded accuracy.  It also highlights though that the Avenger, despite being of different power levels, can work together because their skill sets are distinct (and the story is set up to showcase those differences). Which again points to the problem of DnD Wizards being broad generalist who stand on everyone elses toes.</blockquote>

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