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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9139669" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I don't recall anything that Legolas did in the LOTR movies that is not already doable in 5E RAW.</p><p></p><p>Moreover the sequence linked took 11 rounds (1 min 6 seconds) from when he jumped on the tusk to when he felled the Elephant. In that time he made 7 attacks total, including a shove, cutting the Gondola in two attacks and the final attack to kill the Oilphant. I think RAW you could accomplish everything he did, using optional rules in 6 rounds (5 rounds with action surge).</p><p></p><p>If you break this down in 5E using even a pretty strict interpretation of RAW:</p><p></p><p>Round 1:</p><p>movement: jump</p><p>Action: grab a tusk (Climb on an animal)</p><p>remainder of movement: jump to front leg, jump to second leg</p><p></p><p>Round 2:</p><p>Action: Dash (this assumes Legolas does not have a climb speed)</p><p>movement: climb up Elephants back</p><p></p><p>Round 3:</p><p>Action: Attack</p><p>Attack 1: Miss</p><p>Attack 2: kills an archer</p><p></p><p>Round 4:</p><p>Action: Attack</p><p>Attack 1: kill an archer</p><p>Attack 2: shove melee enemy attacking him</p><p>movement: swing down to side of the Elephant</p><p></p><p>Round 5:</p><p>Action: Attack</p><p>Attack 1-cut one rope</p><p>Attack 2 - cut other rope</p><p>hang on as gondola falls off, letting go when on top of elephant</p><p></p><p>Round 6:</p><p>Action: Attack</p><p>Attack 1: Kill the Elephant</p><p>movement: walk of Elephant as it dies</p><p></p><p></p><p>So all told Legolas used 11 rounds to accomplish what any 5th level D&D fighter could do in 6 rounds (using optional rules). Of course an Oilphant is not going to die from a single attack, so in 5E it probably would take more than 6 rounds when you consider the enemies hit points. The point is though, if you want to play like Legolas, then play like Legolas and tell your DM that is what you are doing instead of saying you run up to the charging Elephant and slash at him with your sword.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9139669, member: 7030563"] I don't recall anything that Legolas did in the LOTR movies that is not already doable in 5E RAW. Moreover the sequence linked took 11 rounds (1 min 6 seconds) from when he jumped on the tusk to when he felled the Elephant. In that time he made 7 attacks total, including a shove, cutting the Gondola in two attacks and the final attack to kill the Oilphant. I think RAW you could accomplish everything he did, using optional rules in 6 rounds (5 rounds with action surge). If you break this down in 5E using even a pretty strict interpretation of RAW: Round 1: movement: jump Action: grab a tusk (Climb on an animal) remainder of movement: jump to front leg, jump to second leg Round 2: Action: Dash (this assumes Legolas does not have a climb speed) movement: climb up Elephants back Round 3: Action: Attack Attack 1: Miss Attack 2: kills an archer Round 4: Action: Attack Attack 1: kill an archer Attack 2: shove melee enemy attacking him movement: swing down to side of the Elephant Round 5: Action: Attack Attack 1-cut one rope Attack 2 - cut other rope hang on as gondola falls off, letting go when on top of elephant Round 6: Action: Attack Attack 1: Kill the Elephant movement: walk of Elephant as it dies So all told Legolas used 11 rounds to accomplish what any 5th level D&D fighter could do in 6 rounds (using optional rules). Of course an Oilphant is not going to die from a single attack, so in 5E it probably would take more than 6 rounds when you consider the enemies hit points. The point is though, if you want to play like Legolas, then play like Legolas and tell your DM that is what you are doing instead of saying you run up to the charging Elephant and slash at him with your sword. [/QUOTE]
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