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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9140704" data-attributes="member: 6877472">You know I loved playing 4e, but I have to admit, in our Scales of War game, things stopped being fun for the DM once we hit level 21.  I remember being level 19, suddenly facing enemies of CR 20 and up, and feeling really behind the 8-ball, those were some of the toughest encounters in the adventure path.Then suddenly our Epic Destinies came online, we got a stat boost, started getting access to the Epic gear, and we turned into juggernauts.  The last session we played, we ended up three players short, fighting a Solo and an Elite in a big boss fight.  The fight was supposed to be really tough, but we had skill challenges involving memories of the boss that, on completion, would weaken it.  But failing them would cause us to take damage and get debuffed.Unfortunately, our three characters (Ranger, Fighter, Cleric) lacked some important skills.  So we failed each skill challenge.  The battle was a huge slog, and we had to use just about every trick we had access to.And we won.  The DM sighed, shook his head, and said "I don't think I can challenge you guys anymore.  I figured you'd lose, and next session there'd be a short skill challenge for the other guys to free you from being trapped, and then you'd do the fight again, but this time you'd know what was going to happen, because I really thought it was that super tough.Instead, you took it out with half the party!  I'm going to have to take some time to think about this."</blockquote>

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