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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9142463" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>I think there's been some confusion. I was asking for examples of contemporary <em>spellcasters</em>. Especially ones with anything akin to 5e style powerful unlimited no resource cost at will cantrips.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>That's a list of <em>spellcasters</em>? </strong> Most of those have been refuted for various reasons and aside from the one where the main character has the same name as the show none of them actually name someone (that's important <em>and</em> explained below). I've seen or read most if not all of what you listed there though & the vast majority of them don't contain spellcasters, it reads more like a list of recent anime than examples of contemporary spellcasters.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Avatar</strong>: manipulation of <a href="https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Chi" target="_blank">chi</a> powers bending. It also puts <a href="https://www.cbr.com/avatar-harsh-realities-of-bending/#:~:text=With%20all%20these%20demands%2C%20many,to%20see%20benders%20feeling%20overloaded." target="_blank">quite the strain on the body</a> in ways that are going to be a fairly significant clash with 5e's unlimited at will no cost cantrips & I seem to remember a lot of weapon use even with bending in play. There was quite a bit of rapidfire bending though so I guess it's close to cantrips but from a resource pool?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I assume you were not referring to the James Cameron version</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Naruto</strong>: This is a good example of why I asked for names given the many many characters spread over 220 episodes. Yes there was quite a lot of ninjitsu/genjitsu in that but the main character & several regular ones have pretty hefty spirits bound to them & I'm not sure I'd call any of the characters in it a clear mold for spellcasters without applying some kind of gestalt fighter/rogue/spellcaster template. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Demon slayer:</strong> Really? You are telling me <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qffQXRb8Ok" target="_blank">katana wielding boulder slicing </a>Tanjiro is a <em>spellcaster</em>?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Sword <em>World</em> Online</strong>?... this is one I've never heard of & figured you meant SAO, that's backed up by googling for it even <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=sword+world+online&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS977US977&oq=sword+world+onl&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i22i30l8j0i15i22i30.7326j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8" target="_blank">pointing to SAO</a>. I can't say that I've played <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_World_RPG" target="_blank">sword world</a> but have heard it's pretty much d&d if you were talking about that. I recall significant use of weapons in SAO though.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Berserk</strong>: It's been a while & memories are fuzzy but Guts the black swordsman is a spellcaster? Any specific character or characters? [USER=6801776]@Mecheon[/USER] you mentioned this too</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Goblin Slayer</strong>: Priestess & other spellcasters literally talk about the number of spells of each type they have prepared vancian style & the author talks about TTRPGs in the afterwards. I read several of the LN & don't recall anything resembling cantrip spamming, <em>why</em> is this listed?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Mushoku Tensei</strong>: Again it's been a bit since I read these, but don't the spellcasters pretty much use a very much not unlimited <a href="https://mushokutensei.fandom.com/wiki/Mana" target="_blank">mana</a><a href="https://mushokutensei.fandom.com/wiki/Mana" target="_blank"> t</a>ype power source?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Finalfantasy</strong>:</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Atma weapon scales with character level(?) but isn't it generally unique? I've missed some of the more recent games in the series but don't characters mostly have a mana pool to power spells & abilities when they aren't doing the default attack based on whatever weapon/staff/bow/etc they happen to be wielding, has that changed? I think that replacing 5e's cantrips with FF style wand weapons that need upgrading would be an improvement in a lot of ways though.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Zelda</strong>: Huh?... I have not played or seen the most recent version but I never considered link a spellcaster?.... </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>One Piece</strong>: This one never really clicked for me & I lost track in the first season or two when life got busy. Spellcasters?... really?</li> </ul><p>Given the list is mostly some flavor of fighters barbarians & rogues I don't have any issues with & wouldn't mind seeing martial archetype/(sub)classes inspired by quite a few, but I don't think that any of them present an example for 5e style cantrips at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9142463, member: 93670"] I think there's been some confusion. I was asking for examples of contemporary [I]spellcasters[/I]. Especially ones with anything akin to 5e style powerful unlimited no resource cost at will cantrips. [B]That's a list of [I]spellcasters[/I]? [/B] Most of those have been refuted for various reasons and aside from the one where the main character has the same name as the show none of them actually name someone (that's important [I]and[/I] explained below). I've seen or read most if not all of what you listed there though & the vast majority of them don't contain spellcasters, it reads more like a list of recent anime than examples of contemporary spellcasters. [LIST] [*][B]Avatar[/B]: manipulation of [URL='https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Chi']chi[/URL] powers bending. It also puts [URL='https://www.cbr.com/avatar-harsh-realities-of-bending/#:~:text=With%20all%20these%20demands%2C%20many,to%20see%20benders%20feeling%20overloaded.']quite the strain on the body[/URL] in ways that are going to be a fairly significant clash with 5e's unlimited at will no cost cantrips & I seem to remember a lot of weapon use even with bending in play. There was quite a bit of rapidfire bending though so I guess it's close to cantrips but from a resource pool? [LIST] [*]I assume you were not referring to the James Cameron version [/LIST] [*][B]Naruto[/B]: This is a good example of why I asked for names given the many many characters spread over 220 episodes. Yes there was quite a lot of ninjitsu/genjitsu in that but the main character & several regular ones have pretty hefty spirits bound to them & I'm not sure I'd call any of the characters in it a clear mold for spellcasters without applying some kind of gestalt fighter/rogue/spellcaster template. [*][B]Demon slayer:[/B] Really? You are telling me [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qffQXRb8Ok']katana wielding boulder slicing [/URL]Tanjiro is a [I]spellcaster[/I]? [*][B]Sword [I]World[/I] Online[/B]?... this is one I've never heard of & figured you meant SAO, that's backed up by googling for it even [URL='https://www.google.com/search?q=sword+world+online&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS977US977&oq=sword+world+onl&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i22i30l8j0i15i22i30.7326j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8']pointing to SAO[/URL]. I can't say that I've played [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_World_RPG']sword world[/URL] but have heard it's pretty much d&d if you were talking about that. I recall significant use of weapons in SAO though. [*][B]Berserk[/B]: It's been a while & memories are fuzzy but Guts the black swordsman is a spellcaster? Any specific character or characters? [USER=6801776]@Mecheon[/USER] you mentioned this too [*][B]Goblin Slayer[/B]: Priestess & other spellcasters literally talk about the number of spells of each type they have prepared vancian style & the author talks about TTRPGs in the afterwards. I read several of the LN & don't recall anything resembling cantrip spamming, [I]why[/I] is this listed? [*][B]Mushoku Tensei[/B]: Again it's been a bit since I read these, but don't the spellcasters pretty much use a very much not unlimited [URL='https://mushokutensei.fandom.com/wiki/Mana']mana[/URL][URL='https://mushokutensei.fandom.com/wiki/Mana'] t[/URL]ype power source? [*][B]Finalfantasy[/B]: [*]The Atma weapon scales with character level(?) but isn't it generally unique? I've missed some of the more recent games in the series but don't characters mostly have a mana pool to power spells & abilities when they aren't doing the default attack based on whatever weapon/staff/bow/etc they happen to be wielding, has that changed? I think that replacing 5e's cantrips with FF style wand weapons that need upgrading would be an improvement in a lot of ways though. [*][B]Zelda[/B]: Huh?... I have not played or seen the most recent version but I never considered link a spellcaster?.... [*][B]One Piece[/B]: This one never really clicked for me & I lost track in the first season or two when life got busy. Spellcasters?... really? [/LIST] Given the list is mostly some flavor of fighters barbarians & rogues I don't have any issues with & wouldn't mind seeing martial archetype/(sub)classes inspired by quite a few, but I don't think that any of them present an example for 5e style cantrips at all. [/QUOTE]
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