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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9143917" data-attributes="member: 93670">Since the tangent started partly about how 5e tried to basically remove magic items from the gm's toolbox without replacing them with something else, you are hitting on another area where 5e stripped away the gm's tools and called it good as if the gm were an enemy to be contained for everyone's safety.Those areas went both ways though... in no particular order...<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Magic item churn and slot/bonus type conflicts would help cycle old magic items out rather than just endlessly accumulating.  5e got rid of both</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Consumable magic items would go away on their own with use so the gm could be more liberal in awarding then..  5e changed that to make most of them self recharging and permanent as a result.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Spell resistance encouraged a shift in what kinds of spells a caster felt were optimal that tended to lean towards buff/debuff/battlefield control spells that were both efficient and extremely effective at cranking the group as a whole up to eleven.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With vancian prep and fewer save types it was easy for some monsters to be meaningfully strong against specific staple spells in ways that encouraged some other spell choices.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Because of vancian prep and the last two points a caster needed to give more thought to spell prep and use than just loading up all their A+ & S tier spells then allocating slots for maximum efficacy in any govt situation. It wasn't uncommon to cast a less optimal spell just because the more optimal one was either used up or being held in reserve for a situation that needed the better spell enough to really need playing that card</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Monsters who could target touch ac made PCs with invulnerable ac values pretty easily hit. (Dex builds fared better but had others opportunity costs that are secondary to the point</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Antimagic was not the only tool, it was the big club that came out for the brick dropping shock not an average encounter.  If the gm needed to call down the bloodcurdling wrath of an angry vengeful god using a tool like disjunction or 2e flamestrike did that in hint of possibility alone.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There was much more I'm forgetting</li> </ul></blockquote>

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