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Ways to lower resistance to Speak with Dead?
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<blockquote data-quote="udalrich" data-source="post: 5020684" data-attributes="member: 53796"><p>If anybody in the party has a good Use Magic Device, they could emulate the evil cleric's alignment. It's not clear to me whether this would prevent the save, so consult your GM first. (Looking at the rules, I'd say that it likely works if you use a scroll, but not if you cast the spell, since there's not magic item being used in that case.) If you're not sure of the chaotic/lawful alignment, a couple of castings of Augury would likely give you the answer. (I plan to emulate chaotic evil and then cast speak with dead, followed by castings with the other alignments.)</p><p></p><p>You could also probably couple it with a second casting of Miracle. One possible effect is "Have any effect whose power level is in line with the above effects." Bestow Curse is a 3rd level cleric spell that gives -4 to saves. A corpse isn't a valid target for it, but extending the target to "any creature or corpse" shouldn't make it more powerful than an eighth level spell. It does have a Will negates clause, so success isn't guaranteed, but you do get the 9th level spell save DC. Actually, charm person is probably an even better option here, as I would expect it to cause the cleric to forgo the save on Speak with Dead.</p><p></p><p>Another option would be to use Miracle to allow the corpse to be affected by spells and similar effects as if it were alive. This is much more of a case where you need to ask your GM if it will work. However, if it works, you can then apply a plethora of debuffs to the cleric. Note that the cleric won't be able to cast any round/level debuffs, as they'll expire during the casting of Speak With Dead.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="udalrich, post: 5020684, member: 53796"] If anybody in the party has a good Use Magic Device, they could emulate the evil cleric's alignment. It's not clear to me whether this would prevent the save, so consult your GM first. (Looking at the rules, I'd say that it likely works if you use a scroll, but not if you cast the spell, since there's not magic item being used in that case.) If you're not sure of the chaotic/lawful alignment, a couple of castings of Augury would likely give you the answer. (I plan to emulate chaotic evil and then cast speak with dead, followed by castings with the other alignments.) You could also probably couple it with a second casting of Miracle. One possible effect is "Have any effect whose power level is in line with the above effects." Bestow Curse is a 3rd level cleric spell that gives -4 to saves. A corpse isn't a valid target for it, but extending the target to "any creature or corpse" shouldn't make it more powerful than an eighth level spell. It does have a Will negates clause, so success isn't guaranteed, but you do get the 9th level spell save DC. Actually, charm person is probably an even better option here, as I would expect it to cause the cleric to forgo the save on Speak with Dead. Another option would be to use Miracle to allow the corpse to be affected by spells and similar effects as if it were alive. This is much more of a case where you need to ask your GM if it will work. However, if it works, you can then apply a plethora of debuffs to the cleric. Note that the cleric won't be able to cast any round/level debuffs, as they'll expire during the casting of Speak With Dead. [/QUOTE]
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