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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 5404332" data-attributes="member: 9213">Really? Glory, Druscilla, Maybe Amy? I dont count Faith because she eventually gets her redemption arc. Anya? Nope, redemption arc. Adam's creator, I forget her name. was she really evil though? No not really just obsessed with her charges and technology. So who else? Unless you're talking about characters in a lot of the standalone episodes where I'm pretty obviously talking about major characters and or big bads which I dont see as "cherry picking". I still contest that the men except in few instances (admittedly I'd forgotten about Reily) were depicted pretty shoddily. The male characters for the most part havent really changed much from who they were when they were introduced. For example, contrast that with over 5 seasons of Angel, we get to see how Wesley's character actually changed and GREW. Did Xander, really? Giles? Yes, Giles got more fatherly and began to trust Buffy more but all of his changes really centered around Buffy and wasn't he kind of written out of the show for almost a season? And Xander, he was always loyal and protective of his friends and a bit of a goofball. He he got a little more confidence by the end of the show and lost an eye (which was kinda awesome) but did he really change all that much? Not really.  To address your other point, the fact that it's a show aimed at empowering girls and women, where would it be if the women characters DIDNT have something to overcome? Listen, I own S1-5 of that show so it's not like I wasn't a fan. And it's a good show for those 5 seasons (although like I said I think it peaked in S3) but yeah in hindsight I think it pushed the feminist agenda fairly strongly during it's run. I dont think that was something that wasn't pretty obvious, where we differ is in how under written and one note many of the male characters were on that show. I'm not saying that you have to agree with me it would be nice if you wouldn't ascribe ulterior motives to my opinions though. Accusing me of "cherry picking" and "drummin up" stuff is like accusing me of fighting dirty and D00d? I'm not even FIGHTING here...</blockquote>

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