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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9270121" data-attributes="member: 18">Honestly to me, based on the playtests, it looks like people are underestimating how much is being changed all over again. If all the changes from recent and earlier playtests go in, including the spell changes, it'll be a bigger change than 3E to 3.5E (though I will say better formatting will probably make it take up less space than the 3.5E ones, which were incredibly poorly formatted), or at the very least, easily comparable.But we don't know. It could be that only some fraction of the changes from the playtests go through. Or it could be that everything in the later playtests and then a bunch of stuff they haven't playtested goes through. Based on WotC's history it's hard to say - in recent years they've both dumped tons of unplaytested content into the game with some products, but also have playtested a ton of stuff and then used only a fraction of it (even when received well!).And we have no idea how many changes will be made in the DMG and PHB. Will the DMG just be formatted better and with much better DM advice? Will it change systems? How in-depth with the MM revisions be?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9270121, member: 18"] Honestly to me, based on the playtests, it looks like people are underestimating how much is being changed all over again. If all the changes from recent and earlier playtests go in, including the spell changes, it'll be a bigger change than 3E to 3.5E (though I will say better formatting will probably make it take up less space than the 3.5E ones, which were incredibly poorly formatted), or at the very least, easily comparable. But we don't know. It could be that only some fraction of the changes from the playtests go through. Or it could be that everything in the later playtests and then a bunch of stuff they haven't playtested goes through. Based on WotC's history it's hard to say - in recent years they've both dumped tons of unplaytested content into the game with some products, but also have playtested a ton of stuff and then used only a fraction of it (even when received well!). And we have no idea how many changes will be made in the DMG and PHB. Will the DMG just be formatted better and with much better DM advice? Will it change systems? How in-depth with the MM revisions be? [/QUOTE]

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