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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SlyFlourish" data-source="post: 9859563" data-attributes="member: 54840">Read the first line of my post again please.Let me save you the click "I'm working on a show topic for my Lazy RPG Talk Show tomorrow and thought I'd share the notes here to get people's thoughts."It turns out it was weak enough that the company who published the license thought they could deauthorize it. That's why releasing in the CC was necessary. People think it was weak because, it turns out, it is weak. Now, today, it's probably fine to keep using it because we know it'll be a long time before WOTC tries something like that again but it's not impossible. The CC feels a lot safer.They did lots of things. Tons of videos, tons of interviews, releasing ten different SRDs in five languages for two systems in the CC. Supporting other competing VTTs with their flagship RPG. Of course, all of these moves help them too, but those are definitely things that tried to repair the damage.To my knowledge, and someone can go get me a quote if I'm wrong, they only promised the 3.5 SRD in the CC which they haven't done. I think they should do so. They promised to do so. But I don't think it's that important really because almost anything you would want to do with the 3.5 SRD you can do with the 5.1 SRD. Shadowdark wouldn't care. OSE doesn't care. Only, I suppose, if you were going to simply republish the entiire 3.5 SRD in a new product would it matter but I think you can do a lot of reverse engineering to make a 3rd style game with the 5.1 SRD. I think the same is true with a 4e clone if you wanted to.IANAL of course.[USER=18]@Ruin Explorer[/USER]'s <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/we-all-won-%E2%80%93-the-ogl-three-years-later.717946/post-9859513" target="_blank">post</a> covers it really well. Yes, it actively threatened just about every 5e publisher at the time because it wasn't clear what they were going to do about older products already published under the OGL 1.0a.Not everyone was satisfied as seen in this thread, but most of us were literally jumping up and down with joy to hear the 5.1 SRD would be released in full in the CC BY. I was on a video call when we got the word and another publisher I was talking to literally stood up and started doing karate punches.One major publisher talked to their lawyer about fighting it and their lawyer said it would probably cost about a million dollars in legal fees with a 50% chance of success to prove in court that they couldn't deauthorize the OGL.I think those who just love the hobby (and I count myself among that group) can look at the incredible range of RPGs from different publishers with different styles can see how great the hobby is right now and I think some of that came from breaking away from the central pillar of D&D 5e. At the time, so much attention was paid to publishing material just for 5e and so many of those publishers are now publishing their own systems or for other systems. That variety is, in my opinion, fantastic. I have no shortage of 5e material to run and also no shortage of just about any other RPG I want to run.I think that's great.I think the people who really take umbrage with my "we all won" take is that it somehow defends WOTC for their actions. That's certainly not how I see it. They made a huge mistake acting out of hubris, greed, and an attempt at control and it bit them in the ass. I think things are way better now. I think WOTC is behaving a lot better now. But what WOTC did back then can never be undone. Jerks on Youtube will keep bringing it up every year....</blockquote>

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