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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pacdidj" data-source="post: 5214052" data-attributes="member: 86793">So, how does True Neutral fit into your framework? How does self-interest, or utility maximization mesh with "my position is that I don't have one"?Also, I disagree with your characterization of Prez, from The Wire, as CN, at least in regards to Season 4, I think Prez's story is one of finding his professional calling and moral compass, and learning to stand up to oppressive influences (like Valchek). By the end of season 4 he's firmly in CG or NG territory, especially in his relationship with Duquan and his other students. Bubs may be closer to a CN, but even in his case I'd argue that he goes through a progression from something like TN (i.e. doesn't give a $&!+ about anything, including himself, and engages in legitimate enterprise as often as theft and swindling to stay alive), through CN territory (when he tries to kill the bully and ends up killing Gerrod, and ruins Herc's career), to something like NG when he finally cleans himself up and takes an active hand in the homeless shelter and narcotics anonymous meetings. Ultimately though, this is all somewhat predictable, because I don't think D&D-style static alignment very accurately reflects real life, whereas The Wire attempts to capture, successfully I think, real moral ambiguity.</blockquote>