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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5216424" data-attributes="member: 4937">Nine members of my family fought in the Civil War on the side of the South.  Seven of them died during the war.  And that's just the paternal line.  My great-great-grandfather on a maternal line was the last surviving confederate veteren of Gettysburg (he was a drummer boy).You see, you really don't know anything about my perspective (like for example, you probably didn't know I grew up in a third world nation), and I wish you'd stop the personal attacks, because you aren't worth a 3 day suspension and you are very much tempting me to respond in kind.  You know nothing of my background at all, and the whole dismissal of what I said as 'American-Centric' says in my opinion alot more about your biases than it says about mine. Basically, it comes down to this.  You are fighting me over the objective nature of evil in the real world.  You don't like my description of it, and wish to propose a separate description of evil in the real world as a factual one.  That is, you want to state as a fact that evil in the real world is not objective or at least not usually objective, where as evil in a fantasy world is objective.  However, at a minimum, both statements are themselves merely opinions.You seem to think that I'm going to get in to a historical argument with you, and if that was really what was at stake in your challenge, I would.  However, we aren't arguing over historical fact.  You are challenging me over metaethical concerns.  It would be pointless for me to offer up an argument about the objective nature of evil in the real world.   Even if I could defend my opinion, if I start arguing about real world metaethics invariably its going to get political/religious/etc.  It's already got that with your whole 'American Centric notion of morals' bit.</blockquote>

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