Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="The 1 and the Prime" data-source="post: 5216763" data-attributes="member: 91434">I am officially putting on my neckbeard for Celebrim.[Neckbeard]Being an &quot;aggressor&quot; is obviously not necessary. The Kamikaze were employed explicitly to defend the Japanese mainland from invasion. Likewise, the Suicide Bomber could argue very strongly that they are responding to aggression (not that I am taking a position).That said, there is a good argument that Charlemagne was in fact the &quot;aggressor&quot;. The Song of Roland is said to parallel the historical events surrounding the Battle of Roncevaux Pass, which was Charlemagne's retreat from an intervention in a conflict between the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates.Even in The Song of Roland there is ample evidence of xenophobia:So he conquers Cordres and kills the &quot;Sarrazins&quot; who won't &quot;take the Christian vow.&quot; i.e. he killed people 'cause they weren't Christian. BTW 100 is a verse #.And he runs with &quot;The people of the Franks&quot; [technically, here Blancandrins is talking about Rolland, but the Franks are also Charlemagne's posse] who are clearly motivated by the &quot;Silver and gold he show'rs upon his band,&quot; Here Charlemagne's negotiator is telling the Islamic king that either the Islamic king converts and gives half his kingdom to Rolland or he will be killed. No other conditions: just conversion and concession or humiliation and death.So it seems Paladins (as portrayed fictionally in The Song of Roland) are just as &quot;evil&quot; as any Kamikaze or Suicide Bomber in that they violate contemporary Western conceptions of &quot;good&quot;. [/Neckbeard]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The 1 and the Prime, post: 5216763, member: 91434"] I am officially putting on my neckbeard for Celebrim. [Neckbeard] Being an "aggressor" is obviously not necessary. The Kamikaze were employed explicitly to defend the Japanese mainland from invasion. Likewise, the Suicide Bomber could argue very strongly that they are responding to aggression (not that I am taking a position). That said, there is a good argument that Charlemagne was in fact the "aggressor". The Song of Roland is said to parallel the historical events surrounding the Battle of Roncevaux Pass, which was Charlemagne's retreat from an intervention in a conflict between the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates. Even in The Song of Roland there is ample evidence of xenophobia: So he conquers Cordres and kills the "Sarrazins" who won't "take the Christian vow." i.e. he killed people 'cause they weren't Christian. BTW 100 is a verse #. And he runs with "The people of the Franks" [technically, here Blancandrins is talking about Rolland, but the Franks are also Charlemagne's posse] who are clearly motivated by the "Silver and gold he show'rs upon his band," Here Charlemagne's negotiator is telling the Islamic king that either the Islamic king converts and gives half his kingdom to Rolland or he will be killed. No other conditions: just conversion and concession or humiliation and death. So it seems Paladins (as portrayed fictionally in The Song of Roland) are just as "evil" as any Kamikaze or Suicide Bomber in that they violate contemporary Western conceptions of "good". [/Neckbeard] [/QUOTE]

Verification