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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 849656" data-attributes="member: 96"><p>Sheathing is an MEA, actually.</p><p></p><p>Past that, I disagree with you. You are not getting the benefit (that is to say, an extra attack), therefore, you do not take the penalty.</p><p></p><p>Here's the quote from the SRD:</p><p></p><p>If a normal character (i.e. a character without the multiattack and/or multidexterity feats) wields a second weapon (fights two handed), that character <strong>can</strong> get one extra attack per round with that weapon. Fighting in this way is very hard, however, and the character suffers a -6 penalty for regular attacks with the first hand and a -10 penalty to the attack with a other hand. </p><p></p><p>So...you <em>can</em> take an extra attack, but you do not have to. The rest of it hinges on how you interpret "fighting in this way" - I believe it is meant to mean "fighting in such a way that you get an extra attack with your second weapon".</p><p></p><p>Further evidence:</p><p></p><p>Character has three attacks and Ambidexterity. He has a longsword in his right hand, and nothing in his left. He attacks with the longsword once. Then, he uses a free action to switch hands. He attacks with the longsword in his left hand, uses a free action to switch it back, and attacks with the right hand. Does he take the two-weapon fighting penalty? Of course not. He's only using one weapon.</p><p></p><p>What about Mr. Quick-Draw? He attacks once, drops his weapon, draw another, and attacks again. Does <em>he</em> take the two-weapon fighting penalty? Of course not. He's fighting with two weapons, but he's only using one weapon at a time.</p><p></p><p>So, when you think about it, is the dagger throwing rapier wielder. He's just changing which single weapon he's using during the round - the same as someone who is swapping hands or using quickdraw.</p><p></p><p>If you don't allow this, then you run into the ridiculous situation where someone (with quickdraw) could attack with a rapier, drop it, draw a dagger, throw it, then draw a second rapier...and do it all with no penalty...while the guy with a rapier in one hand and a dagger in the other couldn't do the same.</p><p></p><p>J</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 849656, member: 96"] Sheathing is an MEA, actually. Past that, I disagree with you. You are not getting the benefit (that is to say, an extra attack), therefore, you do not take the penalty. Here's the quote from the SRD: If a normal character (i.e. a character without the multiattack and/or multidexterity feats) wields a second weapon (fights two handed), that character [b]can[/b] get one extra attack per round with that weapon. Fighting in this way is very hard, however, and the character suffers a -6 penalty for regular attacks with the first hand and a -10 penalty to the attack with a other hand. So...you [i]can[/i] take an extra attack, but you do not have to. The rest of it hinges on how you interpret "fighting in this way" - I believe it is meant to mean "fighting in such a way that you get an extra attack with your second weapon". Further evidence: Character has three attacks and Ambidexterity. He has a longsword in his right hand, and nothing in his left. He attacks with the longsword once. Then, he uses a free action to switch hands. He attacks with the longsword in his left hand, uses a free action to switch it back, and attacks with the right hand. Does he take the two-weapon fighting penalty? Of course not. He's only using one weapon. What about Mr. Quick-Draw? He attacks once, drops his weapon, draw another, and attacks again. Does [i]he[/i] take the two-weapon fighting penalty? Of course not. He's fighting with two weapons, but he's only using one weapon at a time. So, when you think about it, is the dagger throwing rapier wielder. He's just changing which single weapon he's using during the round - the same as someone who is swapping hands or using quickdraw. If you don't allow this, then you run into the ridiculous situation where someone (with quickdraw) could attack with a rapier, drop it, draw a dagger, throw it, then draw a second rapier...and do it all with no penalty...while the guy with a rapier in one hand and a dagger in the other couldn't do the same. J [/QUOTE]
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