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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 9073599" data-attributes="member: 6803643">The description of the Primal spell list makes explicit that includes the elemental powers of the inner planes alongside the primal spirits of natural world. I'd argue that Astral is similarly included in Divine. Planar source of magic ≠ Magic Spell List. There's a reason why we never got a pure Elemental or pure Shadow class in 4e; they just didn't make sense as the sole power source the way Martial, Arcane, Divine, Primal, and Psionic do. And even Ki had to be rolled into Psionic because it was clear that it was stepping on the toes of other classes. And they realised that other classes like the Paladin and the Barbarian really might be multi-power sourced because what makes them not Martial classes? They're as martial as they are their other power sources, at least. Fey, Shadow, and Elemental all seem like they could be drawn on with either Arcane or Primal magic. Shadow might even be drawn on by Divine magic, if we consider the Raven Queen, Nerull, Wee Jas, Kelemvor, etc Divine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 9073599, member: 6803643"] The description of the Primal spell list makes explicit that includes the elemental powers of the inner planes alongside the primal spirits of natural world. I'd argue that Astral is similarly included in Divine. Planar source of magic ≠ Magic Spell List. There's a reason why we never got a pure Elemental or pure Shadow class in 4e; they just didn't make sense as the sole power source the way Martial, Arcane, Divine, Primal, and Psionic do. And even Ki had to be rolled into Psionic because it was clear that it was stepping on the toes of other classes. And they realised that other classes like the Paladin and the Barbarian really might be multi-power sourced because what makes them not Martial classes? They're as martial as they are their other power sources, at least. Fey, Shadow, and Elemental all seem like they could be drawn on with either Arcane or Primal magic. Shadow might even be drawn on by Divine magic, if we consider the Raven Queen, Nerull, Wee Jas, Kelemvor, etc Divine. [/QUOTE]

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