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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7080467" data-attributes="member: 57494"><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Spells known byclass</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Preparation</strong></span></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">Full</span></em></p><p><strong>Cleric:</strong> 30-35 (10are domain); Max 35 (full list available)</p><p><strong>Druid:</strong> 20-25(Possibly +8 Land Druid); Max 33 (full list available)</p><p><strong>Wizard:</strong> 24-29 (4 arespell mastery and signature spell); Max 29 (44+available)</p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">Half</span></em></p><p><strong>Paladin:</strong> 20-25 (10are oath); Max 25 (full list available)</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">Known</span></strong></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">Full</span></em></p><p><strong>Bard: </strong>22 or 24; Max 24</p><p><strong>Sorcerer:</strong> 15; Max 15</p><p><strong>Warlock: </strong>15 (Possibly extras from invocations); Max 15+</p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">Half</span></em></p><p><strong>Ranger:</strong> 11 (Possibly+5 from conclave); Max 16</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, what’s mypoint? Well, I do not believe it is fair that the preparation castersget significantly more spells prepared than spontaneous casters getspells known. This dichotomy could have worked if preparation castershad to prep their individual slots in advance; a 20[SUP]th[/SUP]level Wizard has 22 spell slots and can fill them all with uniquespells if they wanted to. Sorcerers having less known would have atrade off, because they could cast stuff multiple times withoutdeciding that ahead of time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Lore Bard has about70% the spells known as a cleric has prepped, and they can changethem out day to day. The Sorcerer has about 50% the spells known as awizard has prepped. The Ranger has 64% spells known as the Paladinhas prepped, and that’s if you’re playing one of the RangerConclaves that has bonus spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What’s my point?Well, the spells known casters need more spells known. They have noadvantage over the preparation casters. Even if we decided that theBard’s balance was right, then the Sorcerer and Warlock should have20 known, and the Ranger should have like 18 known. Or, simply put, why not make the Warlock Expanded Spells lists into automatically known, give the Sorcerer some Bloodline spells, and give the Ranger more spells known on top of giving spells to each conclave.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But lets not stopthere. What could we give the spells known casters to balance theirlack of versatility? In 3E, they had extra spell slots. I don’tthink we’d want to do that. Would we?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7080467, member: 57494"] [SIZE=4]Spells known byclass[/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][B]Preparation[/B][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3]Full[/SIZE][/I] [B]Cleric:[/B] 30-35 (10are domain); Max 35 (full list available) [B]Druid:[/B] 20-25(Possibly +8 Land Druid); Max 33 (full list available) [B]Wizard:[/B] 24-29 (4 arespell mastery and signature spell); Max 29 (44+available) [I][SIZE=3]Half[/SIZE][/I] [B]Paladin:[/B] 20-25 (10are oath); Max 25 (full list available) [B][SIZE=4]Known[/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=4][/SIZE][/B][I][SIZE=3]Full[/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I][B]Bard: [/B]22 or 24; Max 24 [B]Sorcerer:[/B] 15; Max 15 [B]Warlock: [/B]15 (Possibly extras from invocations); Max 15+ [I][SIZE=3]Half[/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I][B]Ranger:[/B] 11 (Possibly+5 from conclave); Max 16 So, what’s mypoint? Well, I do not believe it is fair that the preparation castersget significantly more spells prepared than spontaneous casters getspells known. This dichotomy could have worked if preparation castershad to prep their individual slots in advance; a 20[SUP]th[/SUP]level Wizard has 22 spell slots and can fill them all with uniquespells if they wanted to. Sorcerers having less known would have atrade off, because they could cast stuff multiple times withoutdeciding that ahead of time. Lore Bard has about70% the spells known as a cleric has prepped, and they can changethem out day to day. The Sorcerer has about 50% the spells known as awizard has prepped. The Ranger has 64% spells known as the Paladinhas prepped, and that’s if you’re playing one of the RangerConclaves that has bonus spells. What’s my point?Well, the spells known casters need more spells known. They have noadvantage over the preparation casters. Even if we decided that theBard’s balance was right, then the Sorcerer and Warlock should have20 known, and the Ranger should have like 18 known. Or, simply put, why not make the Warlock Expanded Spells lists into automatically known, give the Sorcerer some Bloodline spells, and give the Ranger more spells known on top of giving spells to each conclave. But lets not stopthere. What could we give the spells known casters to balance theirlack of versatility? In 3E, they had extra spell slots. I don’tthink we’d want to do that. Would we? [/QUOTE]
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