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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7303493" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>I totally disagree that Luke and Leia are failures, or that the aim of this film was to somehow tarnish their legacy. </p><p></p><p>I think that they are people whose lives have been incredibly difficult, and fraught with danger. And that has continued after the original trilogy ended. </p><p></p><p>I do think that this movie did make more of an attempt to close out those old stories, and to let the new ones emerge. And to do that, I believe that they put Luke and Leia in difficult positions. I was fine with Luke's status and actions in this movie. He's never, ever been infallible. </p><p></p><p>But despite that moment of weakness that led to the fall of the Jedi Order, Luke rises up again, and with his final act, achieves greatness again. He saves the resistance and serves as a symbol of inspiration for a new generation. Saying that he "is a failure" fails to acknowledge the entire point of the movie. He failed once. He then had a choice....let that failure define him, and hide for the rest of his days. Or put it aside and see if he can contribute meaningfully. He chose that second option. </p><p></p><p>It's harder to say with Leia because she should have had another movie to grow and succeed or fail. the fact that her story is seemingly going to end prematurely due to Carrie Fisher's death is really unfortunate, and I think plays a part in why some are disappointed with her story. </p><p></p><p>But ultimately, I think a lot of it boils down to the fact that the franchise absolutely must move on from these characters. No matter what they do, some folks will be dissatisfied. So instead of worrying about appeasing fans, they had to focus on making a compelling story. </p><p></p><p>It's more important for young viewers to like the movie than it is for the adult viewers. And I think that fact also rankles some folks a bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7303493, member: 6785785"] I totally disagree that Luke and Leia are failures, or that the aim of this film was to somehow tarnish their legacy. I think that they are people whose lives have been incredibly difficult, and fraught with danger. And that has continued after the original trilogy ended. I do think that this movie did make more of an attempt to close out those old stories, and to let the new ones emerge. And to do that, I believe that they put Luke and Leia in difficult positions. I was fine with Luke's status and actions in this movie. He's never, ever been infallible. But despite that moment of weakness that led to the fall of the Jedi Order, Luke rises up again, and with his final act, achieves greatness again. He saves the resistance and serves as a symbol of inspiration for a new generation. Saying that he "is a failure" fails to acknowledge the entire point of the movie. He failed once. He then had a choice....let that failure define him, and hide for the rest of his days. Or put it aside and see if he can contribute meaningfully. He chose that second option. It's harder to say with Leia because she should have had another movie to grow and succeed or fail. the fact that her story is seemingly going to end prematurely due to Carrie Fisher's death is really unfortunate, and I think plays a part in why some are disappointed with her story. But ultimately, I think a lot of it boils down to the fact that the franchise absolutely must move on from these characters. No matter what they do, some folks will be dissatisfied. So instead of worrying about appeasing fans, they had to focus on making a compelling story. It's more important for young viewers to like the movie than it is for the adult viewers. And I think that fact also rankles some folks a bit. [/QUOTE]
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