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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7305295" data-attributes="member: 16814">Nope.  I said that the definition being used by the poster is vastly different from what everyone else uses.  The gist of that statement was that character development has an established definition, and that the poster wasn't using it.Strong quibbles about your dismissing entire parts of the movie as not existing, yes, you can ignore lots of parts and still meet the definition of character development.  Again, you may not like that development, but denying that things happened is just sillytimes.Let's point out an undeniable moment of character development:  at the beginning of the movie, Luke had cut himself off from the force and hidden away from the galaxy.  At the end of the movie, Luke is no longer cut off from the force and has reintroduced himself to the galaxy.  That's character development right there.  It's even further reinforced by WHY Luke does these things, and the fact that he apologized to Kylo for failing Kylo, but still stands against him.  It's a massive character arc, and they even brought in Yoda to punch you in the face with it.Denying it exists, or just denying that it was character development, just shows that you don't have any idea what character development actually means.  Disliking it, as many posters have eloquently done is perfectly fine, denying it is ridiculous (Ranger Wickets does a great job of criticizing this arc without denying it, even though I disagree with his criticism it's at least well founded).You have a valid point of criticism in the quality department, but not in the quantity one.And, if you equate character development with having to have a massive transformation, then apparently only Vader in the original trilogy qualifies?  Let's explore a moment, pick a movie of the original 3, pick a main character in that movie that isn't Vader in RotJ, and tell me what you think their development is in that movie.  Whatever you pick, it's at least as great a development as what happens in this movie.  And my favorite would be Han in ANH - from selfish scumbag to selfless hero.  Rey, Luke, and Finn all move as much.  Luke gets a even more awesome payoff scene, Rey gets a few pretty awesome payoff scenes, and, sadly, Finn doesn't get as awesome a payoff scene. Well, there was no appeal to the masses, but go ahead, I'm interested.Okay, I just read six, and all of them praised the characters as the high point of the movie.  You're going to have to provide some evidence to back up your claims, because I'm not seeing it and I'm not going to go digging through a bunch of reviews to find the nuggets you've seized upon.  Like, in the six reviews I read, every one of them mentioned the characters journeys and that the depth of the realization of the characters was one of the strongest parts of the film.Most of them did list the diversion to Canto Bight as a weak point, however, and I can't really disagree, even though in the full context of the movie it's much more understandable, Rian doesn't give you any of those indications during the excursion, so at the time it feels disconnected. Enjoy the extra armrest.</blockquote>[/QUOTE]

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