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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7307851" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>Absolutely. The "strength" Luke found at the end of RotJ was that he first failed and then turned away. He succumbed to the Dark Side before having his epiphany and rejecting it.</p><p></p><p>Which is good storytelling, and a good character.</p><p></p><p>What's confusing to me is the number of people that then think that Luke's moment of weakness that he then rejects with Ben Solo is so abhorrently out of character. It's the same folly he's always shown -- jump, then regret -- only this time it went rather badly for him. This time, the other didn't recant the Dark Side, and instead defeated Luke. Like so many things in TLJ, it takes the events of the OT and spins them around to present essentially the same thing with one crucial difference. Luke has a momentary flirtation with the Dark Side with Vader, but manages to pull back. This act of mercy redeems Vader. With Ben Solo, though, Luke's flirtation with the Dark Side in his immediate rage to strike down his failure doesn't get a happy ending like it did with Vader. It's the same tale, only with a change in the outcome.</p><p></p><p>Luke survives this, but does so broken. His failure, and it is his failure with him reacting with rage and fear and Dark for a moment, is what so scares him that he runs away and cuts himself off from the force. It why he's so aghast at Rey peering into the Dark Side so readily -- he sees the same power he had so easily tempted by the Dark Side. It all fits into a circle, and none of it is "out of character" for Luke. Unless, of course, you've built up your own set of myths surrounding Luke.</p><p></p><p>And, as an aside, the "plan" to rescue Han is a travesty of really horrible ideas. That it works can only be laid at the feet of moviemaking and not any genius on Luke's part. He has an inside man, but his plan is to get Leia also inside by imprisoning Chewbacca. Then he gives the droids to Jabba, for reasons, hoping that turns out okay in the end. He can't even tell 3PO the plan at all, so he's of zero help in the plan, yet he's sent. At this point, with Chewie in jail, Lando as a guard, and Leia hidden in the retinue and the droids in service to a powerful underworld figure they can't attack outright, the plan becomes have Leia, by herself, release Han from the carbonite and sneak him out? Where do that leave Chewie and the droids? That failed, Luke marches in and starts a fight. Sure, it all works out in the end, and Luke plays a good part, but no part of that plan, given the skills and resources at play, works out as remotely good. It was a classic 'Jedi walks into a fight and miraculously lucky things happen' plan, which isn't a good one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7307851, member: 16814"] Absolutely. The "strength" Luke found at the end of RotJ was that he first failed and then turned away. He succumbed to the Dark Side before having his epiphany and rejecting it. Which is good storytelling, and a good character. What's confusing to me is the number of people that then think that Luke's moment of weakness that he then rejects with Ben Solo is so abhorrently out of character. It's the same folly he's always shown -- jump, then regret -- only this time it went rather badly for him. This time, the other didn't recant the Dark Side, and instead defeated Luke. Like so many things in TLJ, it takes the events of the OT and spins them around to present essentially the same thing with one crucial difference. Luke has a momentary flirtation with the Dark Side with Vader, but manages to pull back. This act of mercy redeems Vader. With Ben Solo, though, Luke's flirtation with the Dark Side in his immediate rage to strike down his failure doesn't get a happy ending like it did with Vader. It's the same tale, only with a change in the outcome. Luke survives this, but does so broken. His failure, and it is his failure with him reacting with rage and fear and Dark for a moment, is what so scares him that he runs away and cuts himself off from the force. It why he's so aghast at Rey peering into the Dark Side so readily -- he sees the same power he had so easily tempted by the Dark Side. It all fits into a circle, and none of it is "out of character" for Luke. Unless, of course, you've built up your own set of myths surrounding Luke. And, as an aside, the "plan" to rescue Han is a travesty of really horrible ideas. That it works can only be laid at the feet of moviemaking and not any genius on Luke's part. He has an inside man, but his plan is to get Leia also inside by imprisoning Chewbacca. Then he gives the droids to Jabba, for reasons, hoping that turns out okay in the end. He can't even tell 3PO the plan at all, so he's of zero help in the plan, yet he's sent. At this point, with Chewie in jail, Lando as a guard, and Leia hidden in the retinue and the droids in service to a powerful underworld figure they can't attack outright, the plan becomes have Leia, by herself, release Han from the carbonite and sneak him out? Where do that leave Chewie and the droids? That failed, Luke marches in and starts a fight. Sure, it all works out in the end, and Luke plays a good part, but no part of that plan, given the skills and resources at play, works out as remotely good. It was a classic 'Jedi walks into a fight and miraculously lucky things happen' plan, which isn't a good one. [/QUOTE]
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