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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 7308497" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>My problem isn't that he has moments of weakness. My problem is that his moment of weakness is pretty much the opposite of his moments of growth. He faced Darth Vader and turned him to the Light Side. Darth Vader wasn't just some hypothetical bad guy. He was a bad guy. He had killed the entire Jedi Order (many of the Jedi personally), and was indirectly responsible for the death of billions. That is the kind of guy he faced, the kind of guy he turned.</p><p></p><p>But his nephew, who he only sees a great potential for a future on the Dark Side, he contemplates to kill for a moment. I already have a rpoblem with that, but let's give him that. But once he gets to his better self, but has to face Kylo and he loses his trainees, he gives up on the Jedi idea completely? He completley gives up helping his friends and everything he has worked for? That he rushes to help others against the better judgement of his masters, yes, I could see that might still be in him. But it being turned around into running off, leaving his sister and his best friend and their son hanging?</p><p></p><p>If he had to deal with a long line of pupils that turned to the dark side that he all had to fight and kill (or at least imprison), maybe I could see him turning bitter and finally giving him up when even his nephew turns.</p><p></p><p></p><p>3 Options I would have preferred probably:</p><p></p><p>1) The characters are recast. (Give the old actors camoes in other roles). The story continues and we are now about rebuilding the Republic in some way, and new threats on the horizon.</p><p></p><p>2) We're so much later that the original characters are really gone. A new threat is emerging, but there really was a restored Republic that worked succesfully for a long time and our heroes got to enjoy "basking in their success".</p><p></p><p>3) The heroes are as old as now, a new threat emerges, and the heroes give the heft of saving the galaxy to a new generation of heroes.</p><p></p><p>Or maybe </p><p>4) Reimagination of Star Wars. </p><p></p><p>But having all the hero efforts to be wasted and undone, and seeing them all in sad to bitter positions with little hope for them to see success in their lifetime again... No, that doesn't really feel like a choice I would make.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 7308497, member: 710"] My problem isn't that he has moments of weakness. My problem is that his moment of weakness is pretty much the opposite of his moments of growth. He faced Darth Vader and turned him to the Light Side. Darth Vader wasn't just some hypothetical bad guy. He was a bad guy. He had killed the entire Jedi Order (many of the Jedi personally), and was indirectly responsible for the death of billions. That is the kind of guy he faced, the kind of guy he turned. But his nephew, who he only sees a great potential for a future on the Dark Side, he contemplates to kill for a moment. I already have a rpoblem with that, but let's give him that. But once he gets to his better self, but has to face Kylo and he loses his trainees, he gives up on the Jedi idea completely? He completley gives up helping his friends and everything he has worked for? That he rushes to help others against the better judgement of his masters, yes, I could see that might still be in him. But it being turned around into running off, leaving his sister and his best friend and their son hanging? If he had to deal with a long line of pupils that turned to the dark side that he all had to fight and kill (or at least imprison), maybe I could see him turning bitter and finally giving him up when even his nephew turns. 3 Options I would have preferred probably: 1) The characters are recast. (Give the old actors camoes in other roles). The story continues and we are now about rebuilding the Republic in some way, and new threats on the horizon. 2) We're so much later that the original characters are really gone. A new threat is emerging, but there really was a restored Republic that worked succesfully for a long time and our heroes got to enjoy "basking in their success". 3) The heroes are as old as now, a new threat emerges, and the heroes give the heft of saving the galaxy to a new generation of heroes. Or maybe 4) Reimagination of Star Wars. But having all the hero efforts to be wasted and undone, and seeing them all in sad to bitter positions with little hope for them to see success in their lifetime again... No, that doesn't really feel like a choice I would make. [/QUOTE]
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