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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 7308873" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>I finally saw the movie. I was underwhelmed and to be honest it was worse than I thought it would be. I liked it less than TFA, which at least had the novelty of the "we're back!" effect. This just took the fan-fictiony feel further and I didn't get any of the originality that some have talked about. </p><p></p><p>My biggest problem with Disney Star Wars is that it just feels like they're trying too hard - on so many levels - to re-create some semblance of the magic of the original series, and the more they try the farther they fall away from being something new and interesting in its own right. They just don't have the magic and drama of the original series, or even the Lucas knack with imaginative visuals that the prequel trilogy had which, in hindsight, would have been fairly decent films with different Anakin Skywalker actors (especially one with better chemistry with Natalie Portman than Hayden Christensen...ugh). </p><p></p><p>I am reminded of the impact that the third X-Men movie had on the first trilogy...it just kind of killed it. X2 was such a good movie and set up Dark Phoenix perfectly, and then the Last Stand was an utter train wreck.</p><p></p><p>Disney Star Wars isn't quite that bad, but it has a similar impact, imo. It really diminishes the original series in a way that the prequel trilogy--by virtue of being a prequel--didn't and couldn't. </p><p></p><p>I have the distinct desire to want to say, "None of this is really what happened after Return of the Jedi - it is just one possible version of what could have happened."</p><p></p><p>You can pretty much run through the characters and see how most of them are lesser versions of original series characters. I mean, none of the villains have any real gravitas. As with Adam Driver, I like Domhnall Gleeson as an actor (he was great in <em>About Time</em> and <em>Ex Machina</em>), but he's just horrible as Hux. Snoke was utterly worthless, a total mockery of the Emperor. And don't get me started on Darth Emo or Boba Phasma.</p><p></p><p>I'm still wondering what Finn adds to the story. I guess Poe Dameron finally came alive in this one, but even Rey seemed to lose a step from TFA. She kind of felt like a cypher in this one, without any real personality. And Luke? It felt a bit like Mark Hammill was being held at gun-point to play a role in a way he didn't really want to play it.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I feel <em>The Last Jedi</em> was just not very good. The bottom line (for me) is that it fulfilled little or none of the promise of TFA, and just magnified its mediocre and poor elements. I'd rank it well below the original series and definitely lower than TFA and Rogue One, battling it out with Revenge of the Sith for 6th place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 7308873, member: 59082"] I finally saw the movie. I was underwhelmed and to be honest it was worse than I thought it would be. I liked it less than TFA, which at least had the novelty of the "we're back!" effect. This just took the fan-fictiony feel further and I didn't get any of the originality that some have talked about. My biggest problem with Disney Star Wars is that it just feels like they're trying too hard - on so many levels - to re-create some semblance of the magic of the original series, and the more they try the farther they fall away from being something new and interesting in its own right. They just don't have the magic and drama of the original series, or even the Lucas knack with imaginative visuals that the prequel trilogy had which, in hindsight, would have been fairly decent films with different Anakin Skywalker actors (especially one with better chemistry with Natalie Portman than Hayden Christensen...ugh). I am reminded of the impact that the third X-Men movie had on the first trilogy...it just kind of killed it. X2 was such a good movie and set up Dark Phoenix perfectly, and then the Last Stand was an utter train wreck. Disney Star Wars isn't quite that bad, but it has a similar impact, imo. It really diminishes the original series in a way that the prequel trilogy--by virtue of being a prequel--didn't and couldn't. I have the distinct desire to want to say, "None of this is really what happened after Return of the Jedi - it is just one possible version of what could have happened." You can pretty much run through the characters and see how most of them are lesser versions of original series characters. I mean, none of the villains have any real gravitas. As with Adam Driver, I like Domhnall Gleeson as an actor (he was great in [I]About Time[/I] and [I]Ex Machina[/I]), but he's just horrible as Hux. Snoke was utterly worthless, a total mockery of the Emperor. And don't get me started on Darth Emo or Boba Phasma. I'm still wondering what Finn adds to the story. I guess Poe Dameron finally came alive in this one, but even Rey seemed to lose a step from TFA. She kind of felt like a cypher in this one, without any real personality. And Luke? It felt a bit like Mark Hammill was being held at gun-point to play a role in a way he didn't really want to play it. Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I feel [I]The Last Jedi[/I] was just not very good. The bottom line (for me) is that it fulfilled little or none of the promise of TFA, and just magnified its mediocre and poor elements. I'd rank it well below the original series and definitely lower than TFA and Rogue One, battling it out with Revenge of the Sith for 6th place. [/QUOTE]
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