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<blockquote data-quote="Joshua Randall" data-source="post: 7309235" data-attributes="member: 7737"><p>Then Rey should've hopped on the Falcon with Chewie and gone off to an actually fun movie.</p><p></p><p>Luke being a dick is not something I needed to see on film. But apparently Rian Johnson confused his evil *character's* most quoted phrase from this movie (kill the past / burn the past) with a writing credo.</p><p></p><p>lol WHUT</p><p></p><p>Star Wars has always been about winging it. Always.</p><p></p><p>He already learned that lesson in the previous movie. He only needed to re-learn it because of bad writing.</p><p></p><p>Oh please, Ovi. Out of all the people on the 'net I never thought you would fall for this bleeding-heart-liberal pablum. This is a cliche so old it's not even remotely interesting any more. It is not interesting in the least. It the kind of thing I would expect in a student film.</p><p></p><p>It inexplicably sends two characters away in the most contrived way possible, it gives us the runaround with the hacker for no apparent reason (either the star destroyer is so hard to hack that only Mazz's friend can do it, or it's so easy that any dude in jail can do it), it advances a lame boring and trite social commentary message, it features a way drawn out chase scene complete with property destruction for no reason (you're going to tell me every single car on the street was owned by an evil war profiteer?), and it bogs down the film just as we are getting some interesting Rashomon style depictions of what actually happened between Luke and Ben. All this in a movie that destroys any semblance of character consistency *and* is 30 minutes too long, *at least*.</p><p></p><p>I... guess? So how does that bode for part 9 when they will presumably have to 'pick up the guy(s) you just found' to rebuild the Rebellion which is down to like 20 people? 'Wait, we'd better not trust these new guys we just picked up, they could betray us like DJ.'</p><p></p><p>Also... DJ? Seriously? I mean Snoke was a dumb name but at least sort of Star Wars-y.</p><p></p><p>Deliberate trope flipping just because you *can*, *is* bad writing.</p><p></p><p>Hamfisted is never a good technique unless you want to mock a character.</p><p></p><p>Again, I wouldn't expect you, Ovi, to indulge in this kind of 'audiences are stupid' mentality.</p><p></p><p>I didn't miss the points. I just thought they weren't worth making.</p><p></p><p>People have perfect diction in movies all the time. It's an acceptable break from reality. When people do not have perfect diction, it must be for some reason.</p><p></p><p>Rose could've been humanized without bad writing.</p><p></p><p>(P.S. Yeah yeah some films deliberately have more true-to-life diction. This isn't that kind of film.)</p><p></p><p>When you violate the guidelines in the service of a great reveal or a great scene or a great character, that's fine. When you do it out of laziness, incompetence, or just to be a snarky jerk, that's not fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Joshua Randall, post: 7309235, member: 7737"] Then Rey should've hopped on the Falcon with Chewie and gone off to an actually fun movie. Luke being a dick is not something I needed to see on film. But apparently Rian Johnson confused his evil *character's* most quoted phrase from this movie (kill the past / burn the past) with a writing credo. lol WHUT Star Wars has always been about winging it. Always. He already learned that lesson in the previous movie. He only needed to re-learn it because of bad writing. Oh please, Ovi. Out of all the people on the 'net I never thought you would fall for this bleeding-heart-liberal pablum. This is a cliche so old it's not even remotely interesting any more. It is not interesting in the least. It the kind of thing I would expect in a student film. It inexplicably sends two characters away in the most contrived way possible, it gives us the runaround with the hacker for no apparent reason (either the star destroyer is so hard to hack that only Mazz's friend can do it, or it's so easy that any dude in jail can do it), it advances a lame boring and trite social commentary message, it features a way drawn out chase scene complete with property destruction for no reason (you're going to tell me every single car on the street was owned by an evil war profiteer?), and it bogs down the film just as we are getting some interesting Rashomon style depictions of what actually happened between Luke and Ben. All this in a movie that destroys any semblance of character consistency *and* is 30 minutes too long, *at least*. I... guess? So how does that bode for part 9 when they will presumably have to 'pick up the guy(s) you just found' to rebuild the Rebellion which is down to like 20 people? 'Wait, we'd better not trust these new guys we just picked up, they could betray us like DJ.' Also... DJ? Seriously? I mean Snoke was a dumb name but at least sort of Star Wars-y. Deliberate trope flipping just because you *can*, *is* bad writing. Hamfisted is never a good technique unless you want to mock a character. Again, I wouldn't expect you, Ovi, to indulge in this kind of 'audiences are stupid' mentality. I didn't miss the points. I just thought they weren't worth making. People have perfect diction in movies all the time. It's an acceptable break from reality. When people do not have perfect diction, it must be for some reason. Rose could've been humanized without bad writing. (P.S. Yeah yeah some films deliberately have more true-to-life diction. This isn't that kind of film.) When you violate the guidelines in the service of a great reveal or a great scene or a great character, that's fine. When you do it out of laziness, incompetence, or just to be a snarky jerk, that's not fine. [/QUOTE]
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