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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OB1" data-source="post: 7314598" data-attributes="member: 6796241">I'm not saying there weren't better ways to show this, but the intent was clear.  There is no reason to believe that Lucas intended the scene to show how weak three Masters who we barely knew were.  The only fair read of the scene is that it was meant to show that Sidious was powerful.No, but it does make it clear that you are far more powerful than the ants.Anakin makes this explicit in his dialogue in the scene.  Mace says he's too dangerous to be left alive, Anakin says it's not the Jedi way to kill an defenseless person.  Again, I agree that Lucas failed in execution, but that doesn't mean we can't understand what the intent was.  In this case, that Anakin attacked Mace to prevent him from killing Sidious.Fair enough, I missatributed that to you or overstated your position.  Allow me to restate.  I'd be interested in hearing your counter argument to the point I intended to make rather than make semantic arguments that don't push the discussion forward.Luke is able to deflect blaster bolts 30 seconds after being instructed to "let go your conscious self and act on instinct.", "You're eyes can deceive you, don't trust them," and "Stretch out with your feelings".  The Force guided his hands to accomplish something that even someone with great skill in melee combat couldn't accomplish (see Grevious in RotS).  Why is it a stretch that when Rey "let go her conscious self and acted on instinct" that the force couldn't have helped her to parry Kylo's light saber strikes?  She is instructed earlier in the film to let the force guide her, and then in the fight she does exactly that.  Prior to that moment, it isn't clear if Kylo is trying to defeat her or is merely testing her to see if she is worthy of becoming his pupil.  She is acting on the instinct of her staff training.  He knows the Force is strong in her.  He tells her explicitly that she needs a teacher.  She then remembers what she was taught, same as Luke did when making his trench run against the Death Star.In ESB, Yoda admonishes Luke that he must learn control.  The Jedi Order spent decades training pupils not to make them powerful, but to teach them control of the power that had been given them. To indoctrinate them into a rigid structure for using that power, inoculate them from the dark side and to ensure the supremacy of the Republic. That's why there was a program to identify and indoctrinate all force sensitives from an early age. The Jedi Order was the Avengers and the X-Men and the Superhero Registration Act and the Mutant Registry and the Sakovia Accords all wrapped into one to serve the Republic. And for 1,000 years, with the Republic in full control of them, they were the only super power. Bring a Nuke, I mean Jedi, to a negotiation and the opposing side has no choice but to capitulate. Unless they have a Nuke, I mean Sith, of their own.  Obi-Wan and Luke both learn that the only true way to serve the force is through self sacrifice, not through trying to control the outcome of things.  That's what being a true Jedi Master is, and what the Jedi Order of the Prequels had forgotten.</blockquote>

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