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<blockquote data-quote="Eirikrautha" data-source="post: 7747883" data-attributes="member: 6777843"><p>You've said a lot, but not really anything to the purpose. I'll try to simplify my issues (as admittedly I've written voluminous posts to this point):</p><p></p><p>When a new player joins an established group, how much of the responsibility for helping that player fit in falls on the group and how much on the player? Note that I am assuming good faith on both parties (your response and several above seem to assume that one or more parties isn't acting in good faith).</p><p></p><p>Is the new player's fun more important than the present players' fun? If so, for how long and to what extent? Why?</p><p></p><p>On one hand, you state that having played the game for a long time does not matter (though it certainly does increase system knowledge and mold expectations). Yet you also imply that players who have been playing for a long time have more responsibility towards other players and the game. How do you reconcile this contradiction?</p><p></p><p>If length of play doesn't matter, shouldn't we all come to the table with equal respect for each other and equal responsibility to create an enjoyable game for everyone involved? Wouldn't this include the new players as well as the old? Yet, as much of the modern world seems to embrace, every article about this matter treats new players as if they are fragile flowers, who have no part in the shared responsibility to create a good table for everyone. Most of these articles are written by newer players. Why do you think there is this correlation?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eirikrautha, post: 7747883, member: 6777843"] You've said a lot, but not really anything to the purpose. I'll try to simplify my issues (as admittedly I've written voluminous posts to this point): When a new player joins an established group, how much of the responsibility for helping that player fit in falls on the group and how much on the player? Note that I am assuming good faith on both parties (your response and several above seem to assume that one or more parties isn't acting in good faith). Is the new player's fun more important than the present players' fun? If so, for how long and to what extent? Why? On one hand, you state that having played the game for a long time does not matter (though it certainly does increase system knowledge and mold expectations). Yet you also imply that players who have been playing for a long time have more responsibility towards other players and the game. How do you reconcile this contradiction? If length of play doesn't matter, shouldn't we all come to the table with equal respect for each other and equal responsibility to create an enjoyable game for everyone involved? Wouldn't this include the new players as well as the old? Yet, as much of the modern world seems to embrace, every article about this matter treats new players as if they are fragile flowers, who have no part in the shared responsibility to create a good table for everyone. Most of these articles are written by newer players. Why do you think there is this correlation? [/QUOTE]
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