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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5375163" data-attributes="member: 22779">The thing is, Superman can be defeated all the time.His friends die.&nbsp; His girlfriend marries Lex Luthor.&nbsp; He loses any connection to his real father.&nbsp; He loses the chance to be human.&nbsp; And that's just from my casual watching of Smallville.Heck, you want a better example, look at Doctor Who.&nbsp; Here's a character who has defeated everyone.&nbsp; He's wiped out entire races who got in his way.&nbsp; But, he loses all the time.&nbsp; He can't save everyone.&nbsp; He tries to save someone who refuses to be saved.&nbsp; He wins the big battle, but loses what's important.&nbsp; And, after everything is said and done, he's utterly, utterly alone in the universe.Jack Harkness, from Dr Who and Torchwood, can never die.&nbsp; Literally cannot be killed.&nbsp; Ancient Cthuluesque evils can't kill him.&nbsp; Yet, at the end of Children of Earth, do you think that he wins?&nbsp; I won't spoiler it if you haven't seen it, but, there's a perfect example of an absolutely invulnerable character that loses pretty much everything.The PC's not dying is only important if no one or nothing is important in the campaign.&nbsp; If the PC's are the only important characters, and the setting is just window dressing, then sure, death of a PC is important.&nbsp; But, if you embed the PC's in the setting, give them meaningful relationships, get them to actually care about something other than their own money grubbing selves, then death of the PC is the least important consequence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5375163, member: 22779"] The thing is, Superman can be defeated all the time. His friends die. His girlfriend marries Lex Luthor. He loses any connection to his real father. He loses the chance to be human. And that's just from my casual watching of Smallville. Heck, you want a better example, look at Doctor Who. Here's a character who has defeated everyone. He's wiped out entire races who got in his way. But, he loses all the time. He can't save everyone. He tries to save someone who refuses to be saved. He wins the big battle, but loses what's important. And, after everything is said and done, he's utterly, utterly alone in the universe. Jack Harkness, from Dr Who and Torchwood, can never die. Literally cannot be killed. Ancient Cthuluesque evils can't kill him. Yet, at the end of Children of Earth, do you think that he wins? I won't spoiler it if you haven't seen it, but, there's a perfect example of an absolutely invulnerable character that loses pretty much everything. The PC's not dying is only important if no one or nothing is important in the campaign. If the PC's are the only important characters, and the setting is just window dressing, then sure, death of a PC is important. But, if you embed the PC's in the setting, give them meaningful relationships, get them to actually care about something other than their own money grubbing selves, then death of the PC is the least important consequence. [/QUOTE]

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