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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evenglare" data-source="post: 6327464" data-attributes="member: 63245">Uh.. it doesnt? A 20th level fighter would be more vulnerable from a spell a 20th level caster would cast because he's a 20 level mage, basically a demigod. That 1st level mage is only casting a level 1 spell. Let's take a look at a real world example. Let's put up an extreme heavy weight and a person with a PHD in Mathematics. During first grade let's say these 2 were rivals. First grade representing level 1. The teacher asks them to both lift 100 lbs, and both of them to do basic arithmetic. Now we can probably assume, if this is an ideal situation, that the child on their road to being heavy weight lifting champion that he could probably do the 100lbs with a bit of a challenge because he's athletic etc etc, but the child hates math, so he does very poorly at mathematics. On the other hand the child on the path to a PHD in math doesn't go outside much but stays inside working problems etc etc. He can't do the 100lb challenge but completely wastes the other kid at the math test. Fast forward to level 20. The Heavyweight lifter can just dominate in all aspects of strength and constitution just completely blows out the competition... and the PHD mathematician can solve the worlds foremost complex problems, essentially creating a completely unique new branch of mathematics. Now tests are given to these 2 individuals again only now instead of it being first grade, these are the peak of mortal achievements. The 2 tests are proving the entirety of calculus and differential equations within a day, and the other test is to pull a 747 plane with one pinky (hell, or something else just completely absurd I don't know whats difficult because I myself would be akin to the PhD math person in this scenario). So yeah, the Heavyweight is going to COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY fail at that mathematical test but dominate at the test that's appropriate for him. In essence he has gotten worse if your point of view is from the mathematician. On the other hand the mathematician is coming to completely and utterly fail at pulling the 747. So your statement, why should a fighter get "worse" compared to a wizard at level 20.... it's because the 2 people have completely excelled in different things. They have realized their field of study and SHOULDN'T have any chance at the other tests.This is a large reason why 4e felt "samey" to everyone, because if everyone gets equally good at leveling up what the hell is the point of leveling???? There's not one. If everyone is a special snowflake then no one is. Now 3e took it a bit to far. I'll grant you that, but I honestly don't think that 5e is going to make a mistake that colossal. Magic items aren't assumed in 5e, and we have bounded accuracy. So the whole point is still completely absurd to me.</blockquote>

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